22k immigrants on pension - Peters
Mon, 18 Jun 2012 6:21p.m.
By Tova O’Brien
New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has been using dubious figures to prove a point.
Mr Peters says 22,000 Chinese immigrants are collecting superannuation they don't deserve, but he refused to show 3 News his research, which includes an anonymous tip from an old Chinese man.
He chose a room full of friendly faces at his party's annual conference to test his latest theory, then he tried it on reporters.
“There's possibly 22,000 and rising quite rapidly now.”
He's referring to the number of Chinese who arrived in New Zealand aged 56 and over and who are eligible for superannuation because they've lived here for 10 years
It is a figure which differs greatly from the Government’s, which says 14,000 immigrants are receiving superannuation, of which 3444 are Chinese.
Mr Peters declined to show 3 News his research.
"I'm not working and doing research for TV3. They've got millions of dollars to do that. I've got very limited resources and we don't intend to give over our research and our informant,” he says.
All we know about this mysterious informant is that he's old, he's Chinese and, like Mr Peters, he too thinks the Government's figures are wrong.
“We've got Government officials, and he's got some guy on Dominion Rd,” Prime Minister John Key says.
Mr Peters is right about one thing: those 14,000 immigrants are costing New Zealand a lot.
If they're all single and living alone, which is the highest super payout available, they will get $698 in the hand a fortnight.
At the most they'd be costing $254 million net a year.
“Go and ask the old Chinese in this country and the old Indians who have been here for decades paying their taxes and ask them what they think and they'll tell you that Winston Peters is right,” Mr Peters says.
But Mr Key disagrees.
“As per normal he's just plain wrong.”
Mr Peters may have got his numbers wrong, but he has still managed to crack back into that popular anti-immigrant sentiment.
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26/06/2012 6:04:44 p.m.
Doesnt matter how many there are. One is too many. NZers have worked all their lives. And outsiders come in here and recieve as their right. That sucks bigtime.
19/06/2012 9:05:17 p.m.
A S wrote:
I did read somewhere that super is paid pro-rata. You do not qualify for a full pension unless if you have been in the country and paying tax for 40 years (stand to be corrected).
A better way to save money is the new approach of limitingthe number of family into the country where sponsoring families earn less than a predetermined annual salary. That way the higher taxes pay off aome of the debt incurred by brining over the family.
I don't like paying for other people to stay at home, but then again a lot of people I am paying for are born and raised so. So what is the difference I suppose?
19/06/2012 6:34:51 p.m.
i am an immigrant but i completely agree with peter's statement, a lot of perents coming this country only for free health and dol. i met many people and talk to hundreds of people and met with many own country people but all are bringing their parents for DOL and free Medical. We are paying tax for the people who does not contribute anything to economy and day by day the tex , the road rego, and everything is going up result of this.
19/06/2012 3:55:25 p.m.
The government should reveal and update the TRUE statistic data for our reference, the existing immigration policy is out of date actually.
19/06/2012 11:09:01 a.m.
How did this happen? This really is bad news!
19/06/2012 9:43:46 a.m.
19/06/2012 8:05:05 a.m.
Mike B wrote:
I agree that we should not be paying Super to people who have not contributed to this country, but then most the people who complain on these blogs and receive a benefit and have not contributed to the country, should also not receive a benefit. Well said JD.
19/06/2012 7:43:25 a.m.
How many people grew up on welfare and are now collecting super - ie never contributed to NZ except to have their hand out bludging?There are more of these than there are chinese immigrants who have moved to NZ to be with family and now collect super.Our super scheme is costing too much and it needs cutting back. But it needs cutting in a fair way which is not on a basis of race as Peters is wanting. Our super need to be set as a % of government spending and then adjusted either by less entitlement or raised age to fit. This make the workers of today pay more tax wont work as eventually such ignoring the problem would see taxation of 100% still not cover.
19/06/2012 5:07:49 a.m.
@GUY, Keys pointed out the 3.1 billion contribution in taxes,
18/06/2012 11:57:28 p.m.
British immigrants who receive NZ Super qualify under the reciprocal arrangements the NZ government has with the UK.
The UK govt funds a portion of the money paid out to Brit migrant pensioners to a level set at the UK rate at the time the immigrant left that country and NZ tops up that payment to the NZ level. ie not that much
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