Anti-gay marriage petition attracts jokers
Mon, 30 Jul 2012 7:24a.m.
By 3 News online staff / NZN
A New Zealand anti-gay marriage petition and website has been launched as debate over the issue heats up.
Protectmarriage.org.nz asks visitors to the site to sign a petition if they "support the definition of marriage being maintained as one man one woman" and oppose any attempt to redefine this.
The website appears to have been created jointly by Family First, the National Marriage Coalition, Family Life and Focus on the Family.
This morning the petition had 127 signatures, though several are obviously fake. Among the names listed are rappers Marshall Mathers (Eminem) and Curtis Jackson (50 Cent), Tobias Fünke (a sexually-confused character from TV show Arrested Development) and "Nosy, Homophobic People Intruding on others lives".
The site offers resources and information about marriage including The Argument for Preserving Marriage in a Nutshell and 21 Reasons Why Marriage Matters.
This comes after Labour MP Louisa Wall's marriage equality bill was pulled from Parliament's ballot, with its first reading expected within weeks.
It's not yet clear whether the bill will have the numbers to pass its first reading, with many MPs saying they're yet to make up their minds on how they'll cast their conscience vote.
The Catholic Diocese of Auckland is opposed to the bill, and wants MPs to "keep marriage as defined as between a man and a woman", as civil unions are available to gay couples.
Family First director Bob McCoskrie says equality doesn't mean that gay people should have the right to get married.
"Same-sex couples have the option of civil unions to recognise their relationship so there is no need for redefining marriage," he says.
"If the law was redefined to allow same-sex marriage, and only same-sex marriage, we would then be discriminating against those seeking, for example, polygamous, polyamorous, or adult incest unions."
Mr McCoskrie says nature "discriminates" against same-sex couples, and marriage should reflect this.
"Only a man and a woman can produce children. This discloses something of the purposes and providence of nature, and the role and purpose of marriage."
But pro-gay marriage group LegaliseLove says marriage isn't always about procreation.
"New Zealanders marry each other for a wide variety of social, spiritual, cultural and personal reasons, and many couples who get married are in fact unable to have children," says president Andrew Cunningham.
"This is a matter of ensuring everyone is granted equal rights under the law. This is a human rights issue."
Conservative Party leader Colin Craig failed to make it into Parliament at last year's election, but he's not shying away from the debate, on Thursday tweeting: "It's just not intelligent to pretend that homosexual relationships are normal".
Mr Craig also told 3 News that being gay is a choice, and he himself could turn gay.
"Sure I could… if I wanted to," Mr Craig said last week.
The bill is likely to also enable gay couples to adopt, which Mr Craig also opposes.
Wellington church St Andrews on The Terrace is in favour of the bill. Reverend Margaret Mayman says the church is delighted the bill has been drawn, and hopes it will become law.
She says it is likely St Andrews will make a submission supporting the bill, if it is sent to a select committee, as it did on civil unions.
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25/08/2012 2:34:51 p.m.
Yes to same sex marrage, no to haters of love and a church that protects peadophiles as leaders. Amen
7/08/2012 12:03:24 p.m.
WERNER you have every right to your opinion but I think it is a bad idea to put your address on here. Not sure why you did this? Maybe to try and win some friends? However you usually find that if people avoid you it is not because they do not know where you live it is because they do not like you.
7/08/2012 11:43:39 a.m.
Craig Young wrote:
Mr Geuther, evidently Germany doesn't agree with you about adoption, as lesbian and gay coparent adoption already exists there. And the Bundestag has already voted on the issue once. If the next federal election there is won by the SPD and Greens, you may find that your own homeland disagrees with you.
6/08/2012 10:48:43 p.m.
Werner Geuther, 21 Mercury Way, Whitby wrote:
I strongly oppose 'marriage' for gays.
Civil union is the right thing for them. But to give them the right to bring up children is outrageously wrong.
If need be there should be a referendum. I oppose that parlamentarians should decide narrowly by 61 to 60.
2/08/2012 11:38:56 p.m.
Hayley Phillips wrote:
I cannot believe we are still debating this!!!! There is nothing wrong with gay marriage. Think about what society thought was despicable 50 years ago, most of it is the norm nowadays. We really have to look past this. There is so much hate in the world yet we are debating about love!!!!! And they call themselves Christians.
2/08/2012 5:01:38 p.m.
Actually, Plan, you do well to refer to Uganda's murderous Anti-Homosexuality Bill. It's fascinating that US Christian Right zealots are assisting Ugandan homophobes, while heterosexual polygamy is perfectly legal in Uganda, despite public condemnation from Ugandan feminist groups.
1/08/2012 4:13:48 p.m.
The Plan wrote:
H: "Strange how the "enlightened" and "non-religious" always find it in themselves to attack the old religious rules and statudes. If God is not real, why bother changing something He ordained"
The people who believe in this phantasm they call "God" are real, and real too is the harm and the hurt they cause to themselves and those around them. Including but not limited child witch persecution in Nigeria(Pentagonals & Baptists), beheading of apostates, Attempting to make gay sex a capital offence in Uganda(Christians). allowing a child to suffer and die from a basket ball sized tumour on her shoulder(Christian Scientists, USA), bankrupting families(Destiny Church), Charles Worley's(Baptist) sermon describing putting gays and lesbians behind electrified fences until they die out, flying airliners into buildings.
Most of the above occurred within the last 18 months. People tend to forget that modern Christianity is now much tamer than it was prior to the enlightenment, Left to its own devices it is cruel, vile and absurd. And I see it still trying to shake the shackles of reason like a chained rabid dog trying to rip the throat of any passing creature or dog control officer.
1/08/2012 10:28:48 a.m.
Yes, LGBTs have already been accused of 'causing' the Christchurch earthquake, thank you, Maree. For goodness sake, please think about what you're saying, especially when it comes to victims of one of our worst national tragedies.
31/07/2012 2:39:36 p.m.
I have no problem whatsoever about gay couples living together - not a problem, but when it comes to marriage! I'm strongly against it! Look what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah - I'm not a religious person by any means, but the way the world is today with all the uncertainty and natural disasters, why I ask, do people do everything they can to incite God's wrath? Marriage should be between a man and a woman - that's why we were made the way we are! Gay marriage as far as I';m concerned is a great big NO NO NO!!! Live together, be thankful you're at least allowed to do that but - don't push it! (No pun intended)!
31/07/2012 2:25:38 p.m.
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