Are we heading for a second recession?

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Wed, 27 Oct 2010 4:42p.m.

Bill English called the slow recovery

Bill English called the slow recovery

By Duncan Garner

The economy is dead flat - and there are few signs a bounce is on the way. Do the weak economic indicators point to a second recession? Perhaps.

Sure there are the upsides - commodity prices are high, the South Canterbury payout is now in people's pockets and the tax cuts are flowing through to households - but how much of this will be spent? More on that shortly.

But first the Government's books. The economy can bounce back at short notice but the Government's books take years to recover from a recession like we have just had.

And for the Crown's balance sheet, it's a dire and dark situation. Finance Minister Bill English confirmed that accounts for June and July this year show $750m less gathered in revenue than predicted. Why? It's simple. There is not the economic activity that officials predicted. There is no economic recovery at this stage. People are not spending. Company tax is down. PAYE is down because fewer people are in work. GST is down because people aren't spending. Householders are paying off debt, paying off their credit cards, paying off their mortgages.

Behaviour has significantly changed.

$12 billion that would normally have been spent over the past 18 months in shopping malls and on renovators and builders has been spent on reducing debt.

It's the right thing to do long term as we correct our love of debt and our love of spending on housing - but paying off debt is doing nothing for retailers and it's doing nothing to boost the economy in the short term.

Bill English made it clear today that there is no aggressive recovery like John Key predicted. And English has been right on this from the start.

Here's what John Key said early last year;

"We will be coming out of it and be coming out of it reasonably aggressively."

And this is what English said; "This is not the typical recession where we come out of it aggressively. This is a recession where there is a lack of capital. People won't lend and so we are going to grind slowly out of it."

 And he has been proved right. Today in a select committee English has once again said the recovery is weak and he even said "recession type factors are still at play."

It's a grim warning. We will have $35b worth of cash deficits over three years. We are still borrowing $250m a week to survive. Labour's David Cunliffe has called it "borrow and hope." It's a smart arse comment but he might be right. National's economic plan, if there is one, doesn't appear to be working.

Sure commodity prices are at record highs, but will the farmers buy new cars and spend or will they pay off debt? Paying off debt won't in the short term save the provinces. It won't help the cities either. And sure South Canterbury investors have got their money back but how many of them are going on a shopping spree? Not many, the figures would suggest.

So this is the economic reality right now. Kiwis are paying off debt. Retailers are going to the wall. Tax revenue is down. Growth is barely visible. Tax cuts are being saved. Alan Bollard says the economy is fragile. English can't rule out the cash deficit blowing out even further. He says "recessionary factors" are still at play. There are no signs of new jobs.

So in light of all this - does National need to change course? Perhaps. But it won't. It cant. It has no options. It's made its economic bed - no matter how cold it feels.

The economy is stagnant. If it tanks - that's a recession.

National's economic plan seems to be to cross its collective fingers and dare I say it -"borrow and hope."

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06 Feb 2011 11:27p.m.

timothy wrote:

they do not need to own factorys or creat jobs this govenment and mr key will just steal the nations wealth and funnel the money to the nations elite its called a tax cut.

02 Feb 2011 06:07p.m.

simon wrote:

didient we on the center left warn you of a double dip recession duncan garner and the media just laoughed at us , well here it is mate , just gotta say thanks to the media for their part they played in bringing it about , selling key and english as sound economic managers . what terrible terrible mistake that was. they will never admit it though , its not a recession its a depression we are headed for . they got rid of manufacturing with their bullshit free trade agreements and the media sat back and said nothing , they are the worst of all discusting , now garner moans are we heading for a recession ? are you that silly mate ? .you an your mates help cause it , becouse you talk about anything except the truth.

02 Feb 2011 06:00p.m.

ernie blake wrote:

its fine the catholic church will pay of the worlds debts they have all the worlds gold bullion , then look out , a depression more like it , sorry you just are not allowed to say that word depression , anyway this is just a little foretaste . go to you rich men weep an howel for in just one hour your gold has become cankerd there is a crash comming like the world has never seen before . becouse you people canot save, you have to bye all now on credit with no self control , this is somthing uneque to the people of this generation , now when nations do the same thing on a national scale then global , look out itys all gonna collapse and fall apart . they will papper the walls with the us doller before this is all over the will be worthless.

02 Feb 2011 02:46p.m.

HELEN wrote:

its your fault duncan you campaign for key an national . they are loosers when uit coes to running an economy , they are getting the same results they did in the 1990s . gosh i wonder why couldent be they are running the same economic policys could it , geez an expecting a diffrent result . humans what morons we can be .we are as thick as two short planks .

26 Dec 2010 12:26p.m.

martinb wrote:

Are we going to admit now that the 'cycleway' response to the recession was pathetic and that a much stronger Keynesian response was required?

22 Nov 2010 03:20p.m.

Katy H wrote:

A dozen housewives could have done as much as this government so far, we are told we do noe save enough then we need to spend to get the economy going. Come on, you National Politicians are getting money for nothing.

28 Oct 2010 08:32p.m.

Deane wrote:

I understand businesses have been crying out for tax incentives by this supposedly business friendly government, but being largely ignored.

The result is unemployment reaching almost 7% and more people are losing their lively hood.

Then suddenly Warner Bros gets $90 million of our money.

Now call me old fashioned, but don't you think that’s hypocritical when small businesses are going under with no government help what so ever when a greedy multinational gets 90 million.

I say WTF.
I tell you now; the government would have got a far better return out of $90 million if it had spent that on saving our manufacturing sector.
The Warner Bros deal is risky, what happens if the movie turns out a complete flop?

27 Oct 2010 11:52p.m.

Gareth wrote:

Sustainable economic growth. Now there's an oxymoron. Perhaps if our resource base was growing exponentially it might be possible, but it's not. It's taking most people a painfully long time to work out, that the only reason we are able to have this period of growth, is because we are drawing down (ever more quickly) on finite energy reserves. And technology, unfortunately, is not like magic. It cannot produces things out of thin air. Technology requires energy, and rather than helping the situation, is actually making it worse.

27 Oct 2010 11:41p.m.

cyril wrote:

I thought cutting spending and paying off debt was what the goverment wanted? No matter what you do someone will benifit and some will suffer. If it cuts imports and helps exports in the long term it will be better for the country. Having a spending spree on imported goods may help retaillers but hardly helps the country.

27 Oct 2010 05:48p.m.

Deane wrote:

factors at play here are the fact the as the global economy is realigning itself, new Zealand is remaining on flat line.

Yes indeed I accept that the Canterbury earthquake has done harm. But as the insurance claims come in, it could kick-start the building industry.

In New Zealand, only 3% of businesses export. Why is this?

and what incentives are there for business invest into capital venture projects. Was the scrapping of the R&D tax credit a wise choice as we were entering into a recession?

The great job summit revealed nothing.

The government handling on the economy in my view has low points. Why, they have had ample opportunity to get us out, they are borrowing excessively and continuously using the public purse to bail out incompetent financiers.

Now I understand Warner Bros are going to be the next beneficiary courteously of the tax payer. Excuse me but a foreign company the size of New Zealand GDP does not need our money.
Sure, Warner bros may initially inject money in to the New Zealand economy, but it’s not consistent and will not benefit all sectors of the economy, nor will it provide well paid quality jobs.

We should be placing any opportunity in more sable and solid investment as in manufacturing, expanding our exports, keep our talent in New Zealand rather than spook them with outdated hard employment law.
New Zealand needs to diverse away from agriculture into more serious innovative businesses. But first education needs to be accessible for all and not made harder like what is happening now.