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Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:21a.m. UPDATED 1PM

Te Ururoa Flavell (file)

Te Ururoa Flavell (file)

Maori Party MP Te Ururoa Flavell says he never meant to upset anyone by writing a column suggesting New Zealand should take a 'hard line' approach and suicide victims should not be glorified.

“If a child commits suicide, let us consider not celebrating their lives on our marae; perhaps bury them at the entrance of the cemetery so their deaths will be condemned by the people,” he writes in his column in the Rotorua Daily Post.

Suicide prevention groups are horrified by the article, but Mr Flavell says he was just trying to get people talking, to find a solution.

He says he formulated the controversial views after attending a concert run and organised by local youth in Kawerau.

The town has seen 10 youths commit suicide in the past 12 months, while two Rotorua teenagers committed the same act in the past three weeks.

Mr Flavell says these numbers are too high.

“I say we are at a point now where we say, ‘that is it, no more. No more suicides’.
“Perhaps we should make a very hard stand with this. If a child commits suicide, let us consider not celebrating their lives on our marae, perhaps bury them at the entrance of the cemetery so their deaths will be condemned by the people. In doing these things it demonstrates the depth of disgust the people have with this,” he says.

Te Ururoa Flavell says he's happy to meet with groups or families to discuss their ideas.

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02 Aug 2011 08:35p.m.

delwyn martin wrote:

i know what Ururoa is saying about these suicides but with youth it is totally different. In society today there is so many barriers to life, peer pressure, employment, relationships, drugs, alcohol, and family issues. For our youth it is very difficult to open up to whanau, friends, etc but it is up to the parents to look further than what is in front of them, but sometimes it is complicated. For adults i agree with him, they are old enough to know what the problem is and how to solve the problem. Some have their own children but do not care about them and how they are going to deal with this situation when they are gone, the grief, the costs, what people are going to say about them and their future with out them. So Ururoa is very brave in opening up to the media, i dont condemn the man, he is just trying to get a message across. Maybe he should of thought more about what he was going to announce. kia ora I dont think it is a glorified moment, as i have attended tangi. It is a very heart wrenching experience just being related but as a parent it is forever in your heart and mind for life and its something i would not want go through.

28 Jul 2011 11:38a.m.

Mouthguard wrote:

So Jil Martel, let's hear your solution. I have heard and seen a lot of commentary disagreeing with Flavell's stance. I am yet to hear ANYTHING given as a positive alternative. I guess people want to continue just wringing their hands in despair, a lot like the little kiddies who we kill more often that any other developed nation. If we don't do anything, nothing will change. People like 'Wills' have clearly either not read what he said, or otherwise completely miss his point. I guess there is a good view from your high horse eh?

27 Jul 2011 09:08p.m.

Christina wrote:

It does not matter whether you are Maori or non Maori suicides have risen in young and old. For whatever the reason social,loneliness,failure,pressure,unemployed,or dysfunctional these are one of the many reasons why people reach their low in their life hit rock bottom they dont see away to work thru it. What can we do as a society to resolve the issues communicate, reach out, be a mentor a true friend. Not to be judgemental of their actions but find a way to bring somebody back to being well mentally,emotionally,physically and spiritually. Yes suicides is an illness being in dark place needing to find a will and hope and strength to keep living. It happens in all races we need do our bit to help those that are struggling out there to get them into a better space. Are you your brothers or sister keeper if you tried that is better than not trying at all to save a life. We are all human and every needs to be treated with dignity and respect no matter their ethnic.
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27 Jul 2011 08:26p.m.

Once were Maori Party Member wrote:

One way to loses your Maori Party voters Flavell best you cross the floor in any hope to remain in some sought of power. Desperate Labour will most probably welcome you on board and leaving egg on your present leaders face. Mana then again may look at you though you do lack integrity with Hone therefore compromising your current cushy number. End of the day it wasn't an election attracting vote ploy in fact quite the opposite. Implosion tactics like Brash is there something in the water, our minor party politicians are losing the plot big time I'm curious is this the many faces MMP at play where minor party's and their members go for broke? There's no loyalty there's no unity there's no collective understanding with nation wide party members input. Flavells Maori party has proven that they too can't be trusted. So who next for Maori ... the Act Party yeah right! they're racist! It doesn't leave much left for Maori if they too want to live a decent life on their own stolen land. The mainstream party's aren't exactly announcing return of Maori stolen land is a major policy despite increasing duplicated treaty claims favoring Iwi throughout the country. Does no one get that there is a guilty party in this equation escaping punishment? The return of Iwi resources should in time reverse any negative colonial engineered statistical data that currently plagues Maori. Unfortunately school teacher Flavell and his Maori party have missed the point completely. Time to shift my vote to a party that has Mana. Any suggestions?

27 Jul 2011 05:48p.m.

Warren wrote:

I think if Maori and the Maori Party put as much effort into their children and whanau's welfare as they do with their "Waitangi tribunal claims" then we wouldn't even be discussing this. John Tamahari actually said something similar on TV last week when this first arose.

27 Jul 2011 05:42p.m.

Christina wrote:

Maybe ut makes sense to him Mr Turoa Flavell on how he views it on the issue of suicides in his area how they run a tangi on their marae or urupa etc. But every whanau, hapu and iwi have their own tikanga and may not agree with Mr Turoa statement, some may others may not. Not everyone is the same or think the same. Suicides is a very personal matter how parents or whanau deal with that it is still a great loss. I can say no one glorifies any death at all whether it be from suicides,accidents or illnesses or tragedies etc. It is still sadness for the whanau and those involved. It shouldnt be seen as shame or disgrace nether. It can be seen as an illness whether the person got professional help for it or not, the fact is others may see it as anguish because they wished they could of helped the individual when they were alive and maybe they did or didnt. The reality is if the hapu decides to have a tangi at the marae for a person that suicide then it is left up to the hapu to decide. As far as I am concerned the suicides are much entitled to have a tangi and service and burial to where they wish and where they propose. Your descendants are part of the hapu and iwi he or she belongs to that ancestor and goes back to that ancestor regardless.










27 Jul 2011 05:22p.m.

Repelsteeltje wrote:

He might not have meant to offend anyone, but he obviously did. He would have been wise to engage his brain first ,before opening his mouth. It is a disgrace that N.Z. has such a high suicide rate.And that is not only among young people, elderly as well No surprise really, as the word SUPPORT seems to be unknown in this country.

27 Jul 2011 05:10p.m.

Mike wrote:

Agree with him, obviously suicides are tragic, but the bottom line is killing yourself is probably the most selfish thing any human-being can do. They know how much hurt it will cause every single person who knows them, yet they still do it.

27 Jul 2011 04:50p.m.

Shaza wrote:

I don't think Mr Flavell meant it as people are reading it. The programme I saw about the suicides in Kawerau mentioned how these young people go to a funeral and think how cool they think it is that the person who has done this is having such a neat send off. Its like they think, I wonder if mine will be bigger and better........ Mr Flavell is saying lets stop glorifying this horrific thing that these idiots think they re getting attention by doing. Can't get my head around it all actually.

27 Jul 2011 04:48p.m.

Wills wrote:

Sorry but if someone I loved took his life I would bury him with the dignity he deserves as a human being. To hell with you Flavell or anyone who tries to stop me.