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Sorry, but there are alot of people saying stuff that is just a load of crap. I get annoyed at dipsh*ts that go on as if they know how the whole operation works, just because they got through Call of Duty on the hard level or watched a couple of war movies.

I do know a little bit about how it works, and I can assure you that I know sweet f**k all. And the people that know more than that know not to talk about it.

Doug you are correct that nobody knew Cpl Apiata was in Afghanistan, and I agreed with you the first time. I also have never claimed that he was there since his VC and prior to him being photographed now. Why are you still making the point? Being so defensive would make you a good candidate for the defence force.

It's really not relevant that this photo was shown and it was mentioned who the soldier is, the real problem is that it's been plastered all over the news for the last 4 days, the country and the media are obsessed with this story and that is what is making the situation worse. If there wasn't a big fuss kicked up, there most likely wouldn't have been a big issue and everyone would have forgotten about it. NZ has not helped Willie.

Anrath, Like I said before, you watch too much Rambo (or maybe smoke too much pot).
Mike, nobody had the faintest clue that Cpl Apiata was even in Afhanastan let alone out of NZ.

No Doug I did not know Cpl Apiata was in Kabul prior to the photo (although it was a safe bet he was somewhere nearby). However I did know he has been to Afghanistan, and due to some less that diligent people in the army and government who wished to bask in some reflected glory from him, he is now known to the whole world and subsequently his family is now a legitimate target for terrorist retaliation. Arguably he is the least likely to be affected by his exposure - he can melt away but his family and friends cannot. So your point is what? My point is that he should never have been exposed as a SAS member. His VC should have been awarded under the same clandestine manner in which he earned it. SAS should never be paraded publicly to avoid a host of issues, one being retaliation to family members. So don't blame the press when he has already been exposed by those who really should know better.

Ok Doug, perhaps New Zealanders didnt know but the U.S Military and the Afghan government did and so therefore did the terrorists / Taliban.

We are complaining because we now know, but the reality is the good guys and the bad guys knew long before we did.

Standard reconnesance by the enemy would have noted apiata's presence because he is well known to the taliban and many other military organisations.

If the government didnt want the identities of the NZ SAS troops known, they wouldnt have allowed Apiata to be sent.

And yes the government does get informed of all military operations including personnel via the Minister of defence, as he and the Prime Minister are responsible for approving missions, budgets etc.

My Father and uncles were military men as was my brother.
The chain of command ends with the Prime Minister. however it is not certain he would have known Apiata was there, but the Minister of defence certainly would have.

The SAS are a reclusive bunch, if they were in full dress uniform on the streets of afghanistan without disguise the enemy would have had pictures of them first and would have easily identified Apiata.

This would be an interesting question for the opposition parties to pose to the Minister of defence during parliamentary question time, did the minister know that apiata had been sent, and if so... why on a covert mission would we send our most well known SAS trooper?.

If the identity of our SAS teams is secret then why were they in NZ uniforms interacting with the Afghan public some of whom would have been working for the Taliban.

This is a National party cockup not a media one.

Alien will go nuts at that.. he's such a rightie... but yes alien I very much do know how the military works.

You can find the photos on the internet on overseas websites anyway. It's just that New Zealand has a ridiculous attitude (and laws) regarding the identification of special forces.

Cpl Apiata might be a household name, but did you know he was in Kabul before this photo was aired?

It's one thing to know who Cpl Apiata is, but that's nothing if you don't know where he is. I be Osama bin Laden would have been a little upset if it was a photo of him in the paper.

Corporal Apiata is a household name since his public outing by the very organisations who employ him (NZ Army and NZ Government). Now those same organisations are crying foul because he is pictured in a public place.
Claiming it is a security risk does not wash because he has already been identified publicly. Terrorists won't go after him, they will go for his family to make an example if they would do anything at all. The NZ Army and NZ Governement in there eagerness to show off a VC winner have all but given his address out. So John Key and everyone else, my advice is pull your head in and stop whining because the rule regarding SAS anonymity has been trashed by outing him over his VC.

It's about respecting the request of the Troopers Alien.

If 3 news respected the Troopers in the photos they would have at the very least asked them (through the NZDF) if they had any concerns about showing faces.

It's good to see alot of people support our Troopers though.