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Don Brash and John Banks

Don Brash and John Banks

Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:58p.m.

A rift has opened between ACT leader Don Brash and his most important election candidate over the decriminalisation of marijuana.

Dr Brash on Sunday suggested marijuana should be decriminalised, saying it was a relatively harmless drug and prohibition was ineffective and expensive.

ACT has previously run a tough anti-drugs policy and his comments surprised other parties.

They also appear to have surprised John Banks, a former police minister in the National government, who is ACT's candidate in Epsom - currently held by former ACT leader Rodney Hide - and has to win it to ensure the party stays in Parliament.

"I've always been opposed to drugs and I always will be opposed to drugs," Mr Banks said on Radio New Zealand.

"It isn't party policy and I can't see myself walking into Parliament to support the Greens in decriminalising marijuana."

Mr Banks is expected to win Epsom because National will campaign only for the party vote in the electorate.

He is ACT's lifeline, because under MMP holding an electorate seat means a party doesn't have to reach the 5 percent threshold of the party vote to get seats for list MPs - and Dr Brash is first on its list.

ACT is polling well below 5 percent at present.

Earlier Monday Prime Minister John Key also disagreed with Dr Brash.

"There's no place for drugs in our society," he said.

"Ask parents if they want their children smoking a joint before going to school - we've got to stand up and say we don't want drugs."

The Green Party says Dr Brash is making a brave move by supporting the decriminalisation of cannabis.

Greens co-leader Metiria Turei says it shouldn't come as a shock.

"I think people are surprised they're turning it into their dominant election campaign," says Ms Turei, "but that's their decision to do that. The Greens have been consistent on this issue for many years now, because we believe… it's a health issue."

But United Future Leader Peter Dunne, who has admitted smoking cannabis as a student, says the ACT party has finally lost the plot.

"It's just desperation, which has got no sense of coherence to it," says Mr Dunne.

"Policies on the one hand that let you take the law of justice into your own hands, on the other, drugs for all, then your deputy walks away.

"I don't see any consistency in that."

Labour has also attacked Dr Brash's reasoning for shifting his views.

"This is a sort of bizarre statement from Dr Brash, based on some strange notion that he appears to be the only one on the planet who believes that smoking marijuana has no effect on anybody," says Clayton Cosgrove.

"Good god, look at our young people, and look at the mental health issues we have in our prisons."

Political commentator Bryce Edwards told RadioLIVE this morning the party's alienating its support base and appears to be in trouble.

"For the last 15 years, ACT have increasingly gone after the officially conservative voters," says Mr Edwards. "This might actually be quite a problem for the typical ACT voter, and especially in Epsom."

All five of ACT's sitting MPs are bowing out of politics at this year's election.

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Comments [20]

Paul
31 Oct 2011 9:36p.m.

I always wondered why Peter Dunne -"who has admitted smoking cannabis as a student"- is such a tool. Thanks to your article for identifying the cause - the evil weed of course! - My suspicions are confirmed. He is just a hypocrite alcohol promoter and the fall man for a government that knows its failed drug war is on it's last legs

Dr Meth
28 Sep 2011 10:00a.m.

from my point of view in society - no body really gives a damn about politics, law or peoples opinions. they do what they wanna do. politicians are trying to sculpt us all into good little consumers of planned obsolescence and they think they are succeeding but in reality far from it. oh no world growth is falling. wonder why?

James
27 Sep 2011 8:35p.m.

Drugs are already a part of our society people...wake up.People want drugs as they enjoy them and the Government should be upholding their right to use them...not acting like fascists in banning them.No one has the right to tell you what you may or may not put in YOUR body...Don Brash,well done.

Peter
27 Sep 2011 8:27p.m.

ACT has never run a tough anti-drugs policy, we run tough anti-crime policies. Real crimes that cause real harm. What useless journalism. I think it's the media that's dying, not ACT. Don has won my party vote.

Phil O'Reilly
27 Sep 2011 2:06p.m.

You can accuse Don Brash of a lot of things but lacking courage isn’t one of them. His pragmatic observation that our marijuana laws need reform is in stark contrast to the rank cowardice of most main stream politicians, who’s condemnation is as predictable as it is tragic. In a country where the equivalent of half the South Island’s population regularly smoke the stuff, where the end point, let alone any point, of this perennial $100 million a year war on drugs is never identified. The debate as always is dominated by the old drones of politics and media who reserve a particular anti logic when addressing the issue. Where even medical marijuana is demonised in a country that embraced opiate based medications generations ago. Because Peter Dunn, John Banks (who it should be noted used to own a pub that his customers largely drove to) and fellow travellers in their brief journey from nappies to business suits fear to tread Don has done the honest and obvious thing. He gets my vote.

Jack
27 Sep 2011 10:24a.m.

It is retarded debating this because of the bias that mainstream media put on stoners from day one. 'Campbell Live' goes around Epsom asking people if they support buds, of course no one is going to front up on national TV and say "yes I smoke" and be a condemned figurehead for stoners. The reality is that no one has ever died from ganja, all of your favourite albums have been made by bud smokers, and weed rules. Good on Don for debating an issue rather than being a prick about it. I used to hate the guy but now I actually reckon he is all good. I live and work in Epsom, and I have smoked weed every day since I was about 17. I hold a steady job and have a girlfriend, I am an intelligent and creative person. Maybe they shouldve interviewed me.

Matin Stone
26 Sep 2011 10:00p.m.

The issue we have is that the general public believe this, just wait until it’s their kids with Cancer, then they will sing a different tune (god forbid anyone gets cancer). The politicians lie through their teeth suggesting they want to protect kids and also throw in the addiction and Psychosis augment. They say their all about harm minimisation, but it’s really about the Pharmaceutical, Tobacco and Alcohol companies kick backs and power. Cannabis can cause cancer to self destruct in the body and will eliminate Chemo and as the drug companies make billions of dollars each year from these drugs they won’t let it happen. Alcohol and Tobacco companies have their financial fingers in everything from sports to financing the research on drugs that the government use to justify their decisions. Surely protecting kids from attaining Cannabis means controlling supply and you cannot do that when it’s illegal, how many drug dealers ask for I.D? As an adult you have the choice and understanding to make your own decisions.

Matin Stone
26 Sep 2011 9:59p.m.

Surely to be addicted means needing that drug above all else and be willing to sell yourself or do home invasions or theft ETC to feed their habit, that does not happen with Cannabis, there is slight psychological dependence issues but these feelings generally abate once people have stopped. Researches Alzheimer’s disease or Psychosis will see facts stating back in the early seventies approximately 1.2% of the population suffers from Psychosis and approximately 11% of the population smoked Cannabis, presently 14% of the population smoke Cannabis (aprox 30% increase)but the rate of Psychosis has stayed the same at 1.2% of the population, it is unclear whether other drugs such as polio or other disease vaccination, pannadol, aspirin, cough syrup, caffeine alcohol tobacco etc these people have been subjected to during their life also influenced these results. The fact is there is no clear link to Cannabis and Psychosis as there are no totally uninfluenced test subjects and the fact that just living in cities is the largest cause of Psychosis currently at 3%of city dwelling people. As far as harm minimisation well, they banned bongs right, it’s a well researched fact that bubbling smoke through a water filter removes heaps of toxins including cancernogens, where is the harm minimisation? They turn hard working taxpaying successful individuals that have been the backbone of Australia into petty criminals for a harmless plant. They pump all sought of drugs in to our kids, most are toxic and have a recommended “safe” level or dose, what happens if you exceed the dose or take for too long, you DIE not just get sleepy, yet these drugs are legal and issued daily, and don’t forget they promote the two biggest killers Alcohol and Tobacco companies. Martin

chris
26 Sep 2011 9:14p.m.

cannabis has been scientifically proven to be safer than alcohol or cigarrettes to people and society. These governing bodies are idiotic and stigmatised into thinking that cannabis= drug=bad, when they forget that both alcohol and cigarrettes are also drugs. Cannabis is relatively harmless, especially when non skunk varieties are smoked. Cannabis does not cause agression like alcohol does, and promotes creativity and relaxation. -What on earth is wrong with that. Are we not allowed to enjoy our free time, or must we suffer because "government" knows what's best for us??---talk about them treating us like kids!!

Neil
26 Sep 2011 8:10p.m.

Grace in a sort of answer to your question. Just pause for a moment and think what would happen if we banned tobacco use in New Zealand? Secondly what did happen when we had prohibition, banned the sale of alcohol. So what would be different with legalising marijuana? we'd have control of quality, control of distibution, control of supply and demand, control of price,plus tax receipts. The health issue you imply are grossly overstated by the authorities now to justify the expense associated with attempting to control the criminality of the current situation.

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