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Some Kiwi soldiers have biblical inscriptions on their rifles (Reuters)

Some Kiwi soldiers have biblical inscriptions on their rifles (Reuters)

Thu, 21 Jan 2010 8:16a.m.

Going to war in Afghanistan with Biblical citations stamped on their weapons is not appropriate for New Zealand soldiers, the Defence Force says.

Biblical citations had been found on weapon sights used by New Zealand troops in Afghanistan but the Defence Force said they would be removed.

The Trijicon Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight rifle sights used by Kiwi troops were supplied with references to Bible verses that appeared in raised lettering at the end of the stock number, The Press newspaper reported today.

Markings included "JN8:12", a reference to John 8:12: "When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, `I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life'."

The markings were also on sights used by the United States and British military.

Defence Force spokesman Major Kristian Dunne said New Zealand, like other nations, had been caught unaware and the Defence Force was unhappy the manufacturers did not make it aware of the citations.

The American manufacturer would be told not to put the inscriptions on further orders and the letters would be removed from existing gun sights.

Major Dunne said the Defence Force had about 260 of the company's gun sights, which were first bought in 2004, and soldiers would continue using them because they were the best of their kind.

The American manufacturer, Trijicon, said the American military had been a customer since 1995 and the company had never received any complaints about the scripture citations.

"We don't publicise this," Tom Munson, Trijicon's director of sales and marketing, told the American media.

"It's not something we make a big deal out of. But when asked, we say, 'Yes, it's there'," he said.

The rifle sights use tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen, to create light and help shooters hit their targets.

Trijicon said biblical references were first put on the sites nearly 30 years ago by the company founder, Glyn Bindon, who was killed in a plane crash in 2003. His son Stephen, Trijicon's president, continued the practice.

NZPA

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Comments [14]

Kiwi
22 Jan 2010 3:46p.m.

With respect Alien, why should the company pay? There is no fault with the product, this is simply a cosmetic change at the request of the customer. There is no reason why the company should pay for this at all.

Atheist
21 Jan 2010 7:36p.m.

Chris is right. Just grind off the inscriptions.
I'm sure the decision to buy the scopes didn't go something like..

Officer A: "Well these scopes are better than the Trijicon ones, and they are a bit cheeper too"

Officer B: "Yeah, but look at the Trijicon scope, it says that Jesus is the light of the world!"

Officer A: "Let me take a look at that.... Well blow me down, we can't fail with a scope like that then"

Atheist
21 Jan 2010 7:04p.m.

How about you break down what Jesus apparently said dan.
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34
Jesus must have thought it was a good idea at that time. Guess so!

Dan
21 Jan 2010 5:10p.m.

Exactly Atheist. Break down what you wrote" IN GOD"S NAME", by whom-Human beings. Those were also known as the dark ages. We conveniently take action in god's name, but do we stop to think about what we hear in our sermon's? God does not ask us to be violent or to take the life of someone else of any religion. Its the humans who are contradictory. This manufacturer of weapons must have thought it was a good idea at that time. Guess not!

Atheist
21 Jan 2010 4:08p.m.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you dan, but the crusades in the 11th to 13th centuries were all done in gods name. There was certainly a place for it back then.

Chris
21 Jan 2010 1:44p.m.

use a diamond bit in a dremel to remove the raised lettering.

dan
21 Jan 2010 1:43p.m.

Shame that nobody pointed out the fact that in god's name violence is being perpetrated. No holy book of any religion on earth propagates violence or killing. There is no place for god when you design to kill.

Alien
21 Jan 2010 1:30p.m.

kiwi where does it say tax payer money will pay for the removal? This is something the manufacturer will have to pay for being done, not the tax payer.

Mike
21 Jan 2010 12:59p.m.

Our secular nation constantly removes religion from schools and workplaces, and we all wonder why moral standards continue to slip. Surely the military, constantly surrounded by violence and confrontation, a little reminder of God's presence would be welcome?

DB
21 Jan 2010 12:39p.m.

I think the point here is that the military are supposed to be both politically and religiously netural - due to the fact that they are expected to be placed in situations (on operations) which such issues can cause both complications and unwanted attention.

Also as an aside, why is it that it is automatically assumed that christian values, views and practices are neutral to everybodies beliefs? It seems to me that people think that its ok because its from the bible - including the manufacturer. What if someone was islamic and in the army? I hazard a guess that if a verse from the koran was on there it would be a totally different story.

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