Biggest recorded melt in the Arctic

17/09/2012 7:13:34 p.m.

Mike wrote:

It could also be that the worst carbon polluters are the EU, and guess which pole it is closer too?

Kyoto was all about high-jacking the enviromentalists for trade gain to protect the EU's right to pollute.

Take Germany which was 460 tonne/sq km when the UK was 430 tonne, and NZ was around 200 tonne and the USA about 150 tonne, even china at the time was closer to 120 tonne.

In terms of air quality for carbon pollution, the EU is the worst. so how does Kyoto handle it? It uses man made emissions and ignores carbon soaks. NZ forrestry was mostly planted pre-1990, so for Kyoto purposes, its excluded. NZ farming is mostly pre 1990, but livestock breathe, and methane production of livestock is included for NZ. If we exclude pre 1990 forrestry, then surely we should also exclude pre 1990 farm livestock levels?

We also use EU growth rates when NZ forrests grow faster and will soak carbon quicker than EU. Now isn't that biased for EU favour?

We penalise methane around 17x the rate of carbon dioxide. Okay, what does that actually mean? Well in farming, it makes farming more polluting than a dessert. If take the amazon jungle, it is the biggest methane producer in the world. anything decaying, be it plant or animal, or decay in digestion, produces methane. This means that if apply methane rates for natural decay, not even a forrest in the world can be 'green'. If apply NZ forrests (carbon soak) excluded because pre 1990, use NZ rowth rates, then NZ around carbon neutral. If dont penalise livestock for methane, then we are much better than carbon neutral and one of the cleanest/greenist countries in the world when it comes to net man made carbon emmisions per sq km. but we cant have that, as it might tax the polluters and reward mostly less developed countries that pollute less carbon. While the US is large, and has a large total population, its population density is even lower than NZs, hence its carbon emissions per sq km low. The US also has huge forrestry excluded under Kyoto ...

17/09/2012 7:25:35 a.m.

Which Way is UP wrote:

But more ICE in Antarctica since 1979, Its then obvious science to suggest the CO2 is a heavy Gas so goes to the bottom of a contained vessel, So The South pole MUST at the TOP of the World, NIWA is right again. Wow