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Bill passes banning prisoners from voting

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Thu, 09 Dec 2010 4:54a.m.

All prisoners have been banned from voting under a bill passed by Parliament tonight.

Until now those serving a sentence of three years or more were banned but National MP Paul Quinn's member's bill, voted through 63-58, has changed that.

It means that someone in jail for one day - if that was election day - wouldn't be allowed to vote.

Mr Quinn said during the third reading debate tonight no one was sent to prison for a minor offence, and most inmates had at least 10 previous convictions before they were sentenced to jail.

"The passing of this bill is a triumph for the overwhelming majority of New Zealanders," he said.

Labour, the Greens and the Maori Party opposed the bill.

"This is a stupid piece of legislation, it's nothing more than a political pamphlet," said Labour's law and order spokesman Clayton Cosgrove.

"It has no analysis, there is no evidence attached to it, and Paul Quinn hasn't even put up a decent argument for it."

Mr Cosgrove said there was no evidence, domestic or international, that banning prisoners from voting had any impact at all on crime.

"It will have no effect, they will laugh at it," he said.

National's Sandra Goudie backed the bill and said current law discriminated on the grounds of sentence.

"That's unfair, anyone who is jailed should be denied the vote," she said.

Green Party MP David Clendon said the bill would have no positive effects at all.

"We are dealing with nonsense instead of dealing with problems like the lack of treatment for prisoners with mental health and addiction problems," he said.

National's Wayne Mapp, the only minister to speak during the debate, said offenders who were sent to jail lost their fundamental rights.

"It is surely logical that when you are incarcerated you also do not have the right to vote," he said.

National and ACT supported the bill. Labour, the Greens, The Maori Party, the Progressive Party and United Future opposed it.

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14 Dec 2010 01:32a.m.

judynz wrote:

The Govt is creating more & more laws. Soon no matter what you do or dont do could be a gaolable offence. Everything is a Corporation including the country we call NZ, bought & sold on the stock market...even you & me. Start studying Commerce law & youll soon understand why we are in such a mess were in. They make out of having prisoners. Our PMs loyalty to the US is scary, they are planning right now in the Senate to outlaw home gardens, organics, Herbs, yes even parsley. So is Canada...Cant happen here??? I used to think that. Thats the tip of the iceberg so wake up, look it up, never just believe what someone tells you. Auckland has just become a huge Corp. I wonder what they will sell off first! 283 billion dollars of assets would return such profits that mean we dont need to pay Rates. Why would we dump money into money making Corporations pockets. Why wont our media cover this? Thats a sad tale.

Question question question EVERYTHING before it is too late.
Now Im for it LOL

13 Dec 2010 10:17p.m.

Key (god) defend NZ wrote:

Veteran, why do you assume ppl in jail have low IQs. A portion are there for their 'white collar crimes' too. If you'd had one beer too many the night before election day and were sitting in the cells - wouldn't you still want the right to vote? Or would you class yourself as a "low IQ loser and criminal" too? Your words not mine!
If a person is sitting in the police cells on election day are they allowed to vote? Are the police cells classed as prison on election day? If not, then why not? People at times stay in the cells over the weekend etc because remand is full. It seems to me that they haven't really considered all the facts here.
What about the person who is denied bail - yet maybe didn't even commit the crime. Afterall, it is innocent until proven guilty.
Funny how this law came in not long after the bill was passed for prisons to be smoke-free.
Next it will be that you can't vote if you have a criminal record. Or maybe be could just resort to 'no voting allowed if you've been arrested before. Innocent or guilty'. Or have I just put another idea in his head?
Key the dictator at it again. God help NZ if he gets back in, we will all be micro-chipped too.

13 Dec 2010 10:45a.m.

Peter wrote:

So much for democracy. If you disagree with the laws you may get no say in them in future.

11 Dec 2010 11:50a.m.

Boyd wrote:

Can't see why ACT supports this bill they've just excluded all their voters now.

10 Dec 2010 09:18p.m.

Warren Matthews wrote:

What are you afraid of? Did criminals suddenly become a united majority in this country? This is madness, this is blasphemy! Where do you draw the line? Governments extort money from all of Us for services not rendered isn't that a criminal act? Banks are permitted to enslave and oppress under legalised economic facades, is that a criminal act? Oh wait white collar crime is okay, I mean everyone has equal opportunity... yeah right, keep spinning the lie. Or what about You? Do You really think You are any better? Pfft. If criminals suddenly become a political majority We deserve the result of what that election brings. Hey actually look at what we have, and have had for the last two decades... Wake up... Sheople.

10 Dec 2010 07:26p.m.

Rhonda wrote:

As a partner of a Corrections Officer this is a long time coming.
Now all National need to do is to take all the other million rights prisoners have.
My partner says they should bring back loss of remission and drop the Parole act. Prisoners just use the system to get out early, they don't care about rehab they only want to get out and go back to their out ways.

09 Dec 2010 02:28p.m.

Jessie wrote:

Prisoners relinquish their rights as normal citizens when they have been sentenced for a crime they have been found guilty of. It's a pity other governments haven't had the guts to do what the majority of New Zealanders have wanted for years. They don't deserve ANY rights on the inside.

09 Dec 2010 01:16p.m.

Veteran 44 wrote:

Glen, do you think that this perhaps because the majority of low IQ losers and criminals support Labour, the Greens and the Maori party?

09 Dec 2010 12:51p.m.

Bill wrote:

If this bill hadn'been voted on we would not have even known that criminals could vote.
The reason the left leaning parties and Maori party opposed this bill is because they will loose votes as many prisoners would have voted for them as they are softer on criminals than conservatives.

09 Dec 2010 09:52a.m.

Penny wrote:

people in jail are criminals why should they get any rights to vote??? i think this is fantastic, about time really...