Catholic Church opposing gay marriage bill
Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:39p.m.
By Janika Ter Ellen
Labour's private members bill to legalise gay marriage is provoking strong reactions from the religious community.
The bill, sponsored by Labour MP Louisa Wall, will have its first reading in Parliament next month.
There were differing views on gay marriage on the streets of Wellington today.
Many said the move would improve equality and were pleased it would allow gay couples to adopt.
“It gives us more opportunities so we can adopt together, because we weren't allowed to adopt together,” says one member of the public.
But not everyone agrees.
“I think marriage is between one man and one woman and I think it should be that for life,” says another.
That's also the view of the Catholic Church.
“To make babies you need a mother and a father, and the best environment for raising children is with their genetic parents,” says Father Merv Duffy.
But a Presbyterian minister says religion has no part in deciding laws and civil union legislation has been successful despite Catholic opposition.
“That the sky hasn't fallen, that their have been people who have entered into civil unions, its been great for them, and the kids that they have in their families, so I hope people can kind of just relax,” says Reverend Margaret Mayman.
Rev. Mayman, who is a lesbian, is thinking of marrying her partner if the law passes.
Gay MP Charles Chauvel is already married to his partner, but he had to do it in Canada where same-sex marriage is legal.
“The reality is, most New Zealanders think it’s time here,” he says.
The bill will be decided by conscience vote in Parliament, with its first reading in mid to late August. The Prime Minister says he'll support it through that first reading, but after that his vote and influence could change.
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21/08/2012 6:49:22 p.m.
who are the catholics to tell us what is right and whats is not,who can and cant marry,I am fiercly hetro however the right to be together in holly matramony is up to the individuals,the influence of the catholic church holds no weight,only to those of the catholic faith,peadophilia has been rampant in the Catholic churchs since the inception of its beginnings,a convenant between the perpertrator the victom and god and is reinforced with god,mass genocide of the thousands of innocent lives in the interests of the Catholic church,and yet it still has the ordasity to try and dictate to us what is right in the name of god and the teachings of the bible,ever since the day of ceasars has homophilia been widely accepted and praticed through to the present day, as a hidiouss secrete which seems to be the priviledge of its ministers,now condeems the very notion of it,hypocracy!surly as it is preached,love has no boundries,love is unconditional,accept for the conditions haded down by meere men in the name of god after all we are all gods children and it loves all,including gay/same gender relations,if the love between two people(and thats the key here,PEOPLE)is genuine the who needs the churchs consent to be together,what is a piece of paper supposidly ordained by god itself,there are other forms of union that do not discriminate as the Catholics do,I think the law should do what is in the best interest of its people without the intrution of the Catholic or any other religion,let love be free to us all and not another ideal to be debated and made to fit in a one size fits all,
5/08/2012 1:43:44 p.m.
Craig Young wrote:
And what about the homophobe, militant fundamentalist 'agenda'? Ban abortion, recriminalise homosexuality, make it impossible to prosecute abusive and dysfunctional parents (all rights and no responsibilities), no religious freedom, draconian censorship, decriminalise spousal rape, send solo mums to abusive 'family' homes, mandatory adoption for 'unmarried' mums?Ugh. No, thank you.
3/08/2012 10:21:31 a.m.
Yes, but we live in a society where no religious affiliation is now the largest census category, we have no established religion or Christian denomination and our Bill of Rights Act 1990 guarantees religious freedom and freedom from religious coercion.While religious people's rights to belief, conscience, assembly, worship, speech and broad areas of religious practise are guaranteed by New Zealand society, there can be no such thing as absolute freedom of religious practise if it harms others. In this case, solely religious prohibitions against same-sex marriage and parenting are no good reason not to recognise them.
3/08/2012 9:20:24 a.m.
Around the world the Homosexual agenda is being pushed. There can be no such thing as 'gay' marriage as ALL religions and morality through the ages as well as commonsense and biology decree that only a man and a woman may marry. Gay marriage is immoral and the very idea of it a disgrace.
31/07/2012 11:34:12 a.m.
JC- that may be true for particular Christian sects, but we have long had heterosexual civil and secular marriages in this country, since 1847.You are entitled to your particular religious beliefs on this matter and no-one will be forced to marry same-sex couples if their particular religious beliefs forbid it. So why try to deny civil marriage to those who want it?
29/07/2012 6:14:17 p.m.
The law may one day be changed to permit two people of the same sex to enter into a "marriage". The law may say that the relationship is a marriage - but common sense and biology says that it is not.Two men cannot marry, any more than a man and a dog - or a tree - can be married. Marriage is a relationship between and man and a woman, and it can never be anything else, whatever parliament may claim.
29/07/2012 1:31:36 p.m.
The council of Nicea put the bible together from available scriptures... however many scriptures were hidden or deliberately lost and infact many have ended up under Vatican city in the vault of the roman garrisons.
Remember that Constantine was a roman caesar and headed the council of nicea when the bible was put together.
Many religious holidays were put in place to take over from existing pagan celebrations.
But the roman empire was responsible for putting the bible together... and much of it went missing... so relying on the "bible" and incomplete... highly engineered piece of literature.... as fact... when so much of it has been hidden is completely idiotic.
The romans who killed jesus, are the same ones that constructed the bible in order to control the populace... they went from political leaders to church leaders.
Hence the very name "roman catholic church".
But making judegements based on an incomplete document... such as the bible is idiotic and just shows how moronic people are.
They even ignore the parts that say "judege not least ye be judged" and "love one another as I have loved you" and also "the meek shall inherit the earth.
Many christians completely fail at reading and comprehension of the bible.
And for petty bigots... they cling on to the most obscure passages from the bible generally old testamanet... non relevent passges.
29/07/2012 10:52:33 a.m.
I find it ironic that the Catholic Church should tell us about raising children when it's rules preventing priests from marrying means that they have no experience on how hard that is. I would also suggest that for an organisation that hid child abuse within the church over many decades, that its view on gay marriage holds little weight for most of us.
28/07/2012 10:34:50 a.m.
Interestingly enough, the UK centre-right research thinktank Policy Exchange tells us that straight couples are returning to marriage in the Netherlands, Scandinavia and other jurisdictions that have legislated for same-sex marriage.Michael: Note my earlier comments about professional evidence-based research from pediatrics and developmental psychology.
27/07/2012 9:50:47 p.m.
David M wrote:
Zach a stat for you: 66% of all NZ marriages currently last beyond their 25th wedding anniversary. Marriage is a remarkably successful social institution, and before we make ANY changes to it, we need to have compelling reasons. There simply aren't any. And making children the guinea pigs of a social experiment may make you happy, but isn't that just a little selfish?
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