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Thu, 06 May 2010 9:11p.m.

Niwa scientists have shown Rodney Hide's claims about climate data are wrong

Niwa scientists have shown Rodney Hide's claims about climate data are wrong

Niwa denies ACT Party leader Rodney Hide's claim that it has misled cabinet ministers over temperature measurements showing global warming in New Zealand.

National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (Niwa) communications manager Michelle Hollis said the state science company rejected the claim.

The crown research institute also bluntly rebutted the attack Mr Hide mounted today on the integrity of its climate science.

"Niwa stands by the professionalism and integrity of its scientists," the organisation's chief climate scientist David Wratt said.

There were many lines of evidence which pointed to climate warming in this country, he said.

These included ship-based measurements and shrinking glaciers as well as land-based temperature measurements, such as those in Niwa's longterm 7-station series (of adjusted data) and an 11-station series (of unadjusted data).

Niwa has previously said the temperatures compiled from the seven locations - Auckland, Masterton, Wellington, Hokitika, Nelson, Lincoln and Dunedin - show "striking agreement" on temperature fluctuations between years and also on long-term trends.

They use data adjusted to made to allow for changes over the decades, such as when the position, type or location of thermometers was altered: Dunedin has the longest history, but its climate readings have been taken at six different sites.

The 7-station series indicated a rise of 1.1degC per century, and the 11-station temperature record showed a rise of 1.3degC per century.

Dr Wratt rejected Mr Hide's allegation to a Federated Farmers meeting at Hamilton that warming periods shown by two key sets of measurements did not coincide.

"When the 7 and 11 series data are overlaid, the differences are more pronounced than the similarities," Mr Hide claimed.

But Dr Wratt released a graph of the two sets of measurements overlaid to show they had very similar trends.

"The warmer and cooler periods clearly do coincide," he said. This was despite the fact the graph was based on separate sets of data, only one of which had been adjusted.

Dr Wratt rejected Mr Hide's statement that he and a lobby of climate sceptics, the NZ Climate Science Coalition, had not been able to document details of the adjustments to raw data because there was no "schedule of adjustments".

Niwa had posted its 7-station temperature series online, and Dr Wratt said that a schedule of adjustments required to create the series was also available from the web page.

"Niwa makes all its original climate data freely available over the web for anyone to analyse," he said. This had been the case since July 2007, and the adjusted 7-station series was made available to members of the Climate Science Coalition a year earlier than that.

Last year Niwa researchers provided an open briefing to MPs, "which was attended by Rodney Hide", Dr Wratt said.

Mr Hide's speech to farmers today re-opened a drawn-out row over the scientific integrity of the nation's temperature record - largely driven by the Climate Science Coalition.

Raw data from a group of seven long-running stations showed no rising or falling temperature trend, except when the data was adjusted by researchers, said Mr Hide, whose party is opposed to the Emissions Trading Scheme scheduled to take effect on July 1.

But Dr Wratt said international climatologists accept the need to make adjustments in data - which was not the same as fiddling or manipulation - and Niwa kept all the original, unadjusted data secure in the national climate database, which anyone could access free over the internet.

Niwa was further documenting the 7-station series, and would post those details on its website.

NZPA

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18 Aug 2010 02:00a.m.

cyril wrote:

It amuses me that the man made climate change supporters claim that the sceptics are paying for scientists to lie to support there side but it is them whose data cant stand up to scrutiny and is falling to bits.

09 May 2010 02:05p.m.

V wrote:

So NIWA'S Adjustments show Global Warming when none is observed over time, THE Methods for those adjustments must be made public not the FUDGE FIGURES.

07 May 2010 08:38p.m.

Buahaha wrote:

If Rodney Hide is against it, it's obviously true. @V - the adjustments are explained in the article - read it before commenting.

07 May 2010 08:29p.m.

johnmillan wrote:

V Key told them too keep it a secret.

07 May 2010 11:37a.m.

Alex wrote:

of course they disagree with rodney hide what do they know about science!!!

07 May 2010 11:28a.m.

Rob wrote:

Of course the Climate change society are going to defend themselves. There is a lot of money on the table and a lot of reputations on the line. However, let us remember that all of the Climate change info is based on theory and hearsay. Science is proven. No-one can predict the future.

07 May 2010 09:21a.m.

Tyrise wrote:

You know that Global Warming is a reality when Hide is going against it, pure business perspective... even if the science was conclusive they would hire disreputeable scientists to say it wasnt... look at how the cigarette industry got away with misleading the public for decades using false science.

Its fairly much what the anti-global warming faction is.. brought and paid for scientists that would say anything.

Sad when people dont recognise this situation in comparisson to smoking and drinking.

But thats right, we still think they are good for you, that the science is wrong.

Give any moron a million dollar grant and they will spout anti-global warming rhetoric at you forever even in the face of overwhelming odds.

07 May 2010 08:59a.m.

Obiwan wrote:

Niwa should stay out of the climate change debate. The 0.1 degree movement in the last decade is not only statistically not reliable, it cannot even be measured with the accuracy they claim. Scientists should know better!
Climate change is best left to geologists, with drilling for core samples.
Besides, only mankind is arrogant enough to think it can wield the same power as nature. The planet will correct itself, unless it has changed its orbit around the sun, or tilted its axis. In that case, it simply does not matter what we do next!

07 May 2010 07:52a.m.

V wrote:

Come on Media, do your home work, Track down Mr Salinger and ask him about the "adjustments" he knows and is not telling.

06 May 2010 10:01p.m.

fish face wrote:

Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to disagree with Rodney hide, but on this one I have to conclude that I agree. As much as it pains me to say it.... There , i said it. Now I will go and wash my mouth out....