Destiny Church and politics: All about money and votes - blog

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Fri, 10 Jun 2011 3:15p.m.

Bishop Brian Tamaki

Bishop Brian Tamaki

By Patrick Gower

All I could think when I saw the Maori politicians getting blessed by Brian Tamaki was "who is using who here"?

The answer is of course, both were using each other.

3000 voters were sitting in the room, and Destiny has a total of about 8000 predominantly Maori followers who will all vote how Tamaki tells them.

Probably nowhere else in the country can you grab a bloc of votes so easily.

And didn't Pita Sharples, Hone Harawira, Shane Jones and Tau Henare know it.

But there's a quid pro quo in all this: my inquiries show Destiny Church is getting $1.5 million in Government funding - and is lobbying for $4 million more.

I wasn't that surprised that the brothers headed along.

Yet I was pretty stunned to see them getting blessed like that - as Tau Henare said, it was "freaky".

But those Destiny votes are absolutely critical - they are worth more than any prayers.

They will shape the political future of the two Auckland Maori seats.

And given the influence these seats will have over the final make-up of the Parliament - Destiny have a lot more political sway than many people think.

Let’s look at Tamaki Makarau.

That's the Auckland Maori seat currently held by Dr Sharples with a 7500 seat majority.

But Shane Jones has thrown his hat in the ring and can expect to take a slice of that.

And Hone Harawira is set to field a Mana candidate who will take a big chunk too.

So it’s looking dicey.

Whoever can grab 1000 to 3000 votes from Destiny could take the seat.

In fact they will be absolutely critical - they could save Sharples' career.

The Church will also have an influence but not as strong in Te Tai Tokerau, which encompasses West Auckland.

That's why Kelvin Davis was sitting in the audience.

You simply cannot ignore Destiny if you want to win these seats.

And whether Sharples gets back and how many Maori seats the Maori party have will be crucial in the formation of the next Government.

So no wonder it was a total political love-in.

National's Sam Lotuiga was also in attendance.

National have plenty to gain from Destiny as well because Tamaki could order tactical voting: the Maori Party in the Maori seats and National on the list.

And don't forget the Pasifika component of its followers.

You simply do not turn down 8000 list votes.

Tamaki understands all this. I watched him deliver a near-perfect analysis of the Maori seats (he called them a "gift" for Maori) on Native Affairs.

The Bishop's got some power and he knows it.

So what does Tamaki want?

Well the days of turning the country's moral compass in a different direction are long gone.

His sights are on much more practical issues - taxpayer cash for his schools and social services.

The Church released its application for Whanau Ora funding to me this week - they wanted $4,080,300.

There's no doubt the economic downturn has hit the coffers - the less money someone earns, the less someone can tithe.

But it’s about much more than this.

Destiny is delivering social services just like many other Maori urban authorities.

Its social arm Te Oranga Ake delivers employment, counselling, health, housing, women's services - you name it, it’s doing it.

The church's question is this: why should they be denied access to the $130 million for Whanau Ora?

Destiny says it’s discrimination, because the powers-that-be don't like the hardline they take on homosexuals.

Tamaki knows this. The Church has softened its stance on this (publicly at least) in recent years.

Whanau Ora minister Tariana Turia is clearly in agreement.

Both she and Dr Sharples have told me they believe Destiny are doing a good job and are prepared to go into bat for it.

It's a good question and one entirely missed in this entire debate - if Destiny Church can deliver social outcomes that other services can't, why shouldn't they get taxpayer funding?

It’s a controversial question I know.

And it’s not like Destiny are getting nothing from the taxpayer already.

Look at these figures released to 3 News this week about the taxpayer cash given to Destiny's related services.

GOVERNMENT FUNDING OF DESTINY CHURCH SERVICES 2009-11

  • Community Max:        $681,843 (Ministry of Social Development - mentoring - Auckland)
  • Community Max:        $74,353   (MSD - mentoring - Bay of Plenty)
  • Community Max:        $57,553 (MSD - mentoring - Northland)
  • Community Max:        $36,419 (MSD - mentoring - Waikato)
  • Community response: $10,000 (Holiday breakaway programme)
  • Kindergarten:            $419,916 (Ministry of Education - Early Childhood Education)
  • Destiny School:          $266,313 (ministry of Education - private school funding)

TOTAL:                    $1,546,397

Many will be surprised Destiny-related services got $1.5 million of taxpayer money.

But $850,168 was Community Max funding. Community Max is now defunct after the Government axed it - so that's all dried up.

So Whanau Ora is the way to go.

The devolution of social services raises interesting questions like this.

For example: why shouldn't the Exclusive Brethren be able to run a Whanau Ora-type programme eventually? (That's a topic for another day.)

But the reality is this: you may see Destiny Church given a lot more taxpayer money sooner than later.

Because this is all about votes and money.

Destiny Church has gone from marching on Parliament to being all but let in the back door. Isn't the power of votes amazing.

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21 Jul 2011 06:55p.m.

sandra wrote:

A few weeks ago the Listener ran a very hard hitting article on Maori party politicians towing the line and appearing at the Destiny church sit in, with money and votes being the motivator. I waited and checked the letters to the editor for the last three weeks and not a letter on the article to be seen. Someone appears to have shut the "Listener" up with a vengeance, but ofcourse that just my suspicions, I have nothing more than the lack of feedback from readers to go on

11 Jul 2011 07:59p.m.

jo wrote:

umm be, have you ever heard of the saying if there is smoke there is fire. Yep tamaki has tried to create something good but unfortunately he is really just a regular guy with someone with brains behind him. he is a loud mouth, very handy when you are standing at a pulpit yelling the word of the bible. I have nothing against people wanting to believe in something bigger than them, i just have issues with men wanting to cash in on their flock. the stories of folks being strong armed into tithing is not lies or media, its the word of the people who wanted the great stuff of the church but didnt want to pay for the trimmings. You are right about the gay bashing etc, it is a very weak and sad thing to do to attract like minded people. the media is all over him because he is refreshingly stupid in his amateur grandstanding. sorry mate it is what it is.

09 Jul 2011 02:43a.m.

Lynda Moka wrote:

Dear Pat, you say Destiny Church doesn't deserve funding. By what opinion do you base this on? Is it on your own bias? There are a huge number of service providers that receive millions year after year, some of these social arms include WINZ, CFYS, Prisons. And they are all working hard and failing to provide answers. Destiny church is succeeding and able to provide answers to a number of people that would otherwise be utilising these services and on that note alone they do deserve to have funding.

09 Jul 2011 02:25a.m.

Lynda Moka wrote:

Well I am a Destiny church member and I appreciate what you're all saying and I understand that there's fear - and even hate in some cases towards us, but that's ok.

If a particular political party is going to give you personally a massive taxbreak - and you feel that the financial gain from voting them in would be worth it - would you vote for them? Probably.. I dont know many who wouldn't because at the end of the day money talks.

This is my personal view, I do not speak on behalf of Destiny Church. We have a lot of very good projects that have been (up until recently) totally funded by us. We have worked hard to get these projects off the ground. We provide alot of services for non-church members and would be there to provide services for you too - should you require it.

I know it's hard for non-christian people to understand about churches - I was there once, I hated "christians" I would laugh in their faces! and mock them! So unless you see the lives that are transformed and changed by the good works, you will always find it hard. But open your mind to - what if we aren't actually what your preconception thinks we are.

15 Jun 2011 04:05p.m.

Craig wrote:

And if you think that New Zealanders are really that blind to the radical New Right attacks on the continued existence and survival of the welfare state under this government, or accept such policies, then we'll have to see, won't we?

Note that the latest Roy Morgan poll shows substantial slippage for the National Party. Now, this may be a mere unrelated correlation with the Destiny Social Services and Parents Inc controversies. Woe betide them if there are any more such revelations of unworthy, extremist recipients of taxpayers funds...

Or, it may be cause and effect. I wouldn't continue to push this particular wheel barrow if I were National, ACT and the Maori Party.

15 Jun 2011 12:52a.m.

Dan wrote:

I am appalled at the Politicians using religion to get votes. This is disgraceful and embarrassing. Destiny church has extreme views which are discriminatory and there leader exploits vulnerable new zealanders for his own personal gain. Tying tax payer funded support into religion is craziness making people feel they must belong to the church to receive the aid they need which is funded by us the tax payer. I cannot believe political leaders would stand next to that man aligning themselves with such evil.

14 Jun 2011 03:38p.m.

showmeevidence wrote:

Jeez, it really is a cult if they vote in a uniform 8000 bloc. They must be uniformly brainwashed. Any proof of this PG?

14 Jun 2011 01:19p.m.

Wiremu Panapa-Stuart wrote:

we have to keep religion out of politics,Did you see all the party leaders gather to get on the good side of Destiny Org, what a load of shit our polys are. Its all about themselves and no consideration for us the voters. shame on you all. Maori, Labor, National and Hones Mana Party. All follow like sheep,they will do anything to stay in power we are in serious trouble. watch out for all these goons.

13 Jun 2011 05:49p.m.

Craig wrote:

There seems to be an open question about whether Maori or Pacific Island LGBT clients would be eligible for DSS social services- in which case, in the context of lesbian, gay or bisexual applicants, DSS would be in violation of its statutory obligations under the Human Rights Act.

And if Destiny has such 'support' amongst Maori, then kindly explain why the Destiny and Family Parties both tanked at the 2005 and 2008 New Zealand general elections?

Please TV3, do your homework next time...

13 Jun 2011 04:30p.m.

Mike wrote:

This money may well end up in the hands of those Destiny members who need it, but how much will then be demanded back by the 'church' as a tithe? Smells like 'bishop' Brian has found a way of getting his pockets lined even further!

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Patrick Gower is a 3 News Political Reporter based in Wellington.

Here he offers his commentary on New Zealand politics from his front-row seat in the Press Gallery.

He has been a journalist for ten years, going as far as Afghanistan to get his stories, and was previously a political and investigative reporter for the New Zealand Herald

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