Down syndrome screening likened to eugenics

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Thu, 23 Jun 2011 9:05a.m.

Right to Life spokesman Ken Orr says the Government screening is trying to reduce the number of Down syndrome childern

Right to Life spokesman Ken Orr says the Government screening is trying to reduce the number of Down syndrome childern

Right to Life New Zealand and a group of parents of children with Down syndrome are taking the New Zealand Government to the International Criminal Court (ICC) in an attempt to stop early screening for Down syndrome during pregnancy.

Right to Life spokesman Ken Orr says pressure is put on women who are carrying a Down syndrome baby to have abortions, and the Government screening programme is a "creeping in" of eugenics, a selective breeding movement made infamous by Nazi Germany.

Mr Orr told Firstline this morning that the screening programme is “a search and destroy program which targets and discriminates against babies with Down syndrome”.

“Babies with Down syndrome are being targeted in this program, and the numbers of babies born with Down syndrome will diminish,” he says.

He says while it is “difficult” to compare war crimes – often dealt with by the ICC – with the screening programme, the Government screening aims to diminish the number of Down syndrome children and is “introducing a philosophy of eugenics into New Zealand”.

“We have to look at the end objective of the screening programme… the objective of diminishing the number of children born with Down syndrome,” he says.

While he agrees with doctors that  it’s better for parents to be prepared for a child with Down syndrome, Mr Orr says the test should take place later in pregnancy.

He says “anecdotal evidence” from New Zealand shows doctors are putting pressure on women carrying a Down syndrome child to have a termination.

“If a baby's diagnosed with Down syndrome pressure is put on her to choose to have a termination, to abort her child, and to try again,” he says.

“This is changing the culture, it's a gradual creeping in of a program of eugenics.”

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04 Jul 2011 03:43p.m.

Ben Seeley wrote:

I'd like to see an end to the National Screening Unit's policy of aborting foetuses with Down Syndrome! This programme of eugenics was being done at the turn of the century and during the Second World War! I find it abhorrent that parents these days want 'designer babies'. Parents should love their children no matter what disabilities they may have!

29 Jun 2011 10:37a.m.

Gerda wrote:

If you felt you couldn't love your child because it has down syndrome you should allow the many people who would love to adopt your child to love it for you. This is also a way of showing love, just a different one and still very worthy.

28 Jun 2011 09:09p.m.

Cathryn wrote:

I agree with Gurda. I do not think that if you were going to go through with your pregnancy and then find out it has down syndrome that you should terminate it. Then again if you were not going to love it if it was down syndrome, maybe you should?

26 Jun 2011 07:26p.m.

Gerda wrote:

bukster,your comments show you are very ignorant about people of down syndrome and other trisomy conditions. There are only three recorded pregnancy's in which a male with down syndrome was the father. Women are also less fertile. They're not about to take over the human race if you allow them to be born. In the matter of human survival, when we come to accept that it is ok to kill for the good of the human race eventually all people with any kind of disability, who are or aren't able to have children, will be killed off and also you when you are no longer able or willing to work a job that is significant to the survival of the human race. Why do you feel threatened by people with Down Syndrome?

24 Jun 2011 07:06p.m.

bukster wrote:

The typical argument about eugenics is that the Nazis did it. However, that is not a good enough reason not to consider it under some circumstances. Hitler was a vegetarian, that doesn't make it therefore wrong. In this country we allow anybody who is physically capable to breed. The film Idiocracy recently screened on TV showing a future where stupid people had produced far more offspring than smart people until they took over the world. The film may have been meant to be a comedy. However, it is a future that may well come true if some sort of restraint against undesirable people's breeding is not put in place. How such a restraint may work will be controversial and may lead to some sectors of society dying out. However, in the long term it is a matter of human survival.

24 Jun 2011 07:46a.m.

EB wrote:

@David, people with Down Syndrome are not forever sick. Granted that they are more prone to some medical conditions but that does not mean they will have a hobbled existence. Statistics show Down Syndrome individuals live longer because of medical advances. You mentioned inflicting through inaction. Why does the action have to be terminate rather than educate? As far as grasping all the wonders of this world, it's a matter of an individual's perspective. One just has to get the chance to live and go through the experience. I guess the problem is a lot of us still have misconceptions about Down Syndrome and other people with other disabilities for that matter. People have certain standards and expectations of what "normal" is. If you think about it, everyone has their own disability. Not everyone can run the marathon. Not everyone can finish the top of his/her class in college. This new diagnostic procedure can be viewed as a chance to terminate the pregnancy or to actually prepare for it. I would prefer people do the latter. I’m just wondering if there is the same effort going into treating Down Syndrome. I'm not against abortion if medically necessary but I have a problem with abortion just because people are afraid of how the child will be like growing up. I do have a child with Down Syndrome. I understand that terminating the pregnancy or not is a tough decision to make. But believe me when I say that if you’re strong enough to go through the heartaches and disappointments during the pregnancy, you will feel totally different when the child is finally born. I see my child’s face and I see all the people in my life that I love. It reassures me that everything’s going to be alright. You will look at your child and will have the same worries as every parent. Down Syndrome or not, you will worry anyway for no one can tell what lies ahead. I guess that’s my point. A chance to find out what life has to offer.

23 Jun 2011 07:00p.m.

DavidTehGnome wrote:

It's not a pleasant idea, terminating a life. But I think it is beyond cruel to allow a person to be born, who will be forever sick and incapable of grasping this world in all its wonder. I would rather bear the burden of terminating such a hobbled existence than inflict it on someone through inaction.

23 Jun 2011 06:51p.m.

Sally wrote:

What about the other conditions these tests screen for? It is not just downs that is picked up and the prognosis for children with these other conditions can be really grim. Also, These tests reduce the number of diagnostic amniocentisis procedures, reducing the risk of miscarriage for healthy babies, cost and resource availability. these people should come clean about what their motives really are. this is not a real challenge to the screening tests, it is an anti abortion campaign targeting an often already grieving section of society by attempting to further burden their guilt. The real crime is the number of terminations for no reason other than they are unwanted and inconvenient pregnancies. Leave the testing alone it is a just an optional tool for those who want to know their pregnancy is going to plan. Those who don't like it, don't have to have it