Fears GST hike will force Kiwis to overseas websites

19 Feb 2010 01:20p.m.

Mary wrote:

Hello MICE--I was hoping there would be a reasoned response to my last posting. I mean it about the $100.00--will check for a week and then assume you are not interested if there is no response and I will delete this site. Cheers to you--hope the tax changes are all to your advantage. If you and others need it they should be if John Key plays fair. M.

17 Feb 2010 04:14p.m.

Mary wrote:

MICE- You are a sad fella. AND you jump to lots of incorrect conclusions--but that's o.k. I don't have any old hatreds-should I? And where would I get them ? I will be absolutely disgusted if people on lower incomes are not MORE than compensated for any GST.As for my not commenting on parts of your post--Well hello !! I could say ditto but again that is peurile. Have NEVER claimed any tax relief that was not 100% honest either.
Coincidentally I am being treated for a tumour right now MICE. As for the type of Christian I am--FYI- I have several letters from various charitable organisations thanking us for our considerable and ongoing-long term support. You have completely misjudged the person I
am.I support beneficiaries and actually help them. Am grateful for the reasonable health I have had --until now-- so that I have not needed to be one. I believe benefits for genuine recipients should be increased AND I am sure that will happen. But this has become far too personal. Do you not agree with the principle of GST ?? I do because it gets something back frm the black market money people. I think LABOUR was smart to introduce it and LABOUR was smart again when they increased it to 12.5 %. I supported them wholeheartedly in that and some other moves. We are KIWIS who love our country hopefuly-i do- and you do too I am sure. So this 2.5% increase is supposed to be positive-- let's save our vitriolic comments for laws and changes that deserve them . If the Govt. does not more than compensate beneficiaries for this GST rise I will send $100.00 to a charity of your choice-in your name if you enable that-so that you may have the receipt for a tax refund. DEAL ?? Hope so.

16 Feb 2010 12:42p.m.

Dan wrote:

Truth shall prevail. Now we know why Mary was so vociferous in favour of Keys proposed tax changes.

@Middle Income earner: you are banging your head against a wall of greed and deceit. No use arguing with her.

The only solution with the masses is to use their strength as we have been weak for too long. Show these rich, greedy lot that we will not tolerate this nonsense any longer. We will decide what is the outcome of our futures. Demand a full explanation from Mr.Keys about the tax changes before they are put into effect or replace this govt. with a NO CONFIDENCE VOTE.

15 Feb 2010 10:37p.m.

Middle Income Earner wrote:

Mary, quite frankly I know the type of christian you profess to be.

If you read the same book I do, I also know that god is the one that will judge your deeds.

you are so proud of the fact that you have never had to claim a benefit, as if only lowley types of people would.

You're a sad individual but god knows your heart.

I didnt buy the TV or the jag, but yes Mary, I know of company managers running around in jags that are registered in their company names.

These are the majority of businesses, not the minority unfortunately.

Beneficiaries, you mention them like they are heathens... people sick and dieing - invalids.. thats where people with cancer etc go for aid.

you dont think $1.00 or $2.00 makes a huge difference? most of these people dont get all their medications or costs covered to begin with.

The kind of christian charity you profess to have, astounds the hell out of me... have a little charity in your heart, because who you are right now... well, I'm glad you're proud

There are a thousand different ways to ripoff the system Mary, everyone reading this now knows you run a business, you dont want business targetted so of course you claim thats not conceivable.

A Ha, come that time Mary I guess we will see just how honest you really were in life.

I also said in my post, that the idea of running a business like that disgusted me, but I do know plenty that do run their businesses like that, but you only like to use little portions of what a person says so you can twist what has been said and infer some fairly nasty things.

I would say with 40+ years of business experience that you are a woman that holds some old hatreds, the welfare system would have barely been around when you first started in business.

Tell me Mary, with that christian charity of yours, when beneficiaries get a paper increase that is taken away on supplementary benefit payments... will you care? they have to face GST with no actual real compensation.

15 Feb 2010 09:46p.m.

Mary wrote:

MICE- You ar hilarious. Fancy mentioning dyslexia- I have not commented on your errors ( AND mine wasn't) because it is bad manners and my Christian charity encourages me to put it all down to typos. We all make them.We have been operating our own company for many years-over 30- that's how I know your supposedly factual statements about GST are garbage. A company director cannot legally get a TV for his own home and claim back GST. A dishonest one with a crooked acountant might have a go, and possibly succeed temporarily, but you can't land the actions of the dishonest ones on to all the honest ones.Did you buy the Jag. and the TV for home when you had your company?? If not--how come ??Most are honest. Including my Business partner and myself.As for my having no concept of work and the real world- I have been self employed for 40 + years and have NEVER had one dollar of any type of benefit for which one applies. Believe me MICE- GOODNESS IT SUITS YOU !!---I know more about backbone than you could dream of-hich would be a nightmare for you.

But this is supposed to be about GST. If a family on $600.00 has $300.00 after rent-which does not attract GST- then the remaining $300.00 will have $7.50 GST charged if the whole amount is spent. This is an example ONLY. The $50.00 book attracts GST of $1.25.
I do not attack people with whom I disagree- I attack people who try to mislead others by making false claims. Or who moan but don't seem to try to improve their own lot. WANT THE TAXPAYER TO DO IT.MICE-- HOW come you operated a company for only 3 years when there " are a thousand different ways to rip the system off" ? DIRECT QUOTE
If the lower income earner is compensated for the extra GST payable why are you so bitter and twisted ?. Rent or mortgage are supposedly the biggies for lower income people ( we were there for a long number of years as we worked at 5 jobs between us !!) AND THEY DON'T ATTRACT GST. Stop fibbing. See-I know a lot about work-still do !

15 Feb 2010 02:35p.m.

Middle Income Earner wrote:

Just something for you to contmeplate Mary.

Remember how in 2009 we in the middle income were supposed to be better off because of the second "promised" tax cut.

First Lie, GST is his second lie.

And Mary, a backbone in this case means you doing the right thing, a wishbone constitutes acting like a sheep.

Is that how you class of people act mary? insulting? takes every moment to belittle anyone who disagrees?

Lucky you in no way resemble a christian, because charity is absent from your tirades.

I actually operated my own company for 3 years, I had an accountant that was always suggesting loopholes, first year of business we got back more gst than we paid out on because of loopholes.

I wouldnt act that indecently so I got another accountant.

I can seriously see, that you are in your own little world.

People like you wont admitt these loopholes exist because you dont want them shutdown.

15 Feb 2010 02:18p.m.

Middle Income Earner wrote:

Theres only three words in the title Mary... oh I see you are trying to be funny, or just dyslexic.

Companies can also buy new jaguars and write off the depreciation and class it as a business asset.

The can buy wide screen Televisions and write them down as an entertainment expense for staff moral.
If they are in the entertainment field they can write them off as lost stock.

Theres a thousand different ways in which to ripoff the system mary.

And that would be ex-government employee from a few years ago now.

I highly doubt you know what it is like to work for a "living" mary.

You dont even begin to defend what National will do to low income people like beneficiaries by given them an invisible increase and then taking it away to leave them to face the full brunt of the GSt increase.. leaving them not compensated at all... making John Key a liar again.

I voted National mary, so wake up.

I am not a sheep and do not blindly follow someone who I believe is a liar and a total arse.

Baaaa mary, go find your little blue sheep.

@Dan, mary has no concept of the idea of work, or contributing, you can tell it by the way she speaks and how little she understands the real world.

15 Feb 2010 02:04p.m.

Dan wrote:

BTW Mary we the low/middle income earners are the BACKBONE of this country. Keys trying to appease a 100 rich families with an average 4 individuals per family= 400 compared to more than 4 million commoners who will be disadvantaged. Why not Mr.Keys have a public debate about this entire issue out in the open and then lets see what he has planned for us. Why wait till the Budget of 2010? Or is that not politics?

If he is such a hard working/forth-coming individual as your painting him to be, correcting all the ill's created by Labour, then let him be transparent and honest to us right now!

15 Feb 2010 01:57p.m.

Dan wrote:

The only person in here whining for these changes and lashing out at commoners is Mary. Any guesses people as to which strata of society she belongs too?

Just what these rich types are: GREEDY for MORE. Mary get a life. Being a socialist is not bad. In fact that is what is required in today's day and age.

Why dont you try and live in our shoes for a while. Maybe god in his infinite wisdom will finally open up your clogged brainwaves.

Also I would not be surprised if she belongs to the National Govt. party!!

15 Feb 2010 01:20p.m.

Mary wrote:

You are so far off the mark MICE ( funny that )with your opening comments it is laughable. But there you are --you are another public servant ( or maybe ex--it is not clear) who cannot see past labour and you are absoluely convinced Key is a liar. Because you want him to be it suits your cause--your tunnel visioned vitriolic diatribe against a person who has done better than you.Politics of envy again. Keep it up and you too may get an HON. Doctorate from Auckland University like auntie helen-the socialist MP who was afraid to own up to differences !!You are not so hot on tax mate-companies can only write off business expenses g.s.t.-and it is only a REFUND on what they have already spent. It does not cover overseas trips ans new fridges and wide screen tvs etc,etc.Did you not know that MICE ?? So why don't you wean off the public teat and start a business and form a company ?? Back bone problems?? You sound like a union person--through and through. AND--- we all have to deal with those increased charges you seem to be personalizing---NOT just you--"Poor me" I hear you wail.You and Dan would be a great pair to EXclude from any gathering-your wine always has an 'H' in there it seems. BACKBONE TIME !!