Gay marriage debate takes off
Fri, 27 Jul 2012 3:52p.m.
The opening shots have been fired as the two sides of the gay marriage debate prepare for a battle both in and outside of parliament.
It comes after Labour MP Louisa Wall's marriage equality bill was pulled from parliament's ballot, with its first reading expected within weeks.
It's not yet clear whether the bill will have the numbers to pass its first reading, with many MPs saying they're yet to make up their minds on how they'll cast their conscience vote.
The Catholic Diocese of Auckland is opposed to the bill, and wants MPs to "keep marriage as defined as between a man and a woman", as civil unions are available to gay couples.
"To propose any alternative definition would have implications in law, and in society, but also for education and the family structure which throughout history has been seen as the fundamental unit in every society," Bishop of Auckland Patrick Dunn said.
Conservative Party leader Colin Craig failed to make it into parliament at last year's election, but he's not shying away from his view on the debate.
"It's just not intelligent to pretend that homosexual relationships are normal,” he said.
The bill is likely to also enable gay couples to adopt - which Mr Craig also opposes.
On the other side of the debate is Wellington church St Andrews on The Terrace.
Reverend Margaret Mayman says the church is delighted the bill has been drawn, and hopes it will become law.
She says it is likely St Andrews will make a submission supporting the bill, if it is sent to a select committee, as it did on civil unions.
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8/08/2012 12:45:31 p.m.
Craig Young wrote:
I have nothing against evangelical Christians. In fact, some of them are indeed warm, compassionate and loving people. Unfortunately, I disagree strongly with their radical fringe's attempt to override our nation's faith/state seperation and heritage of freedom from religious coercion through their opposition to same-sex marriage. Steven, I love my partner and daughter and so do all the other LGBT parents that I know. As for your religious views, you are entitled to them, as you are entitled to freedom of speech, belief, conscience, worship, assembly and broad areas of religious practise in our pluralistic and democratic society.Here's my problem. If we listen to radical fundamentalists against same-sex marriage, what would happen if polygamists said that anti-polygamy laws violated their 'religious freedom'? What about Jehovahs Witnesses who might want to stop others from having blood transfusions? What about extreme Pentecostals that believe that they are divinely protected from ill effects after drinking strychnine?In our pluralistic, democratic society, there need to be constraints on otherwise broad religious practises if those religious practises harm other people- and same-sex marriage/parenting bans do- same-sex couples are treated as second class citizens and so are our children.
3/08/2012 10:43:35 a.m.
I have nothing against the gay community in fact some are wonderful people. I don't mind if they are out there doing what they do. How ever i strongly disagree with the idea of legalizing their rights to get married. First of all i love my wife and my children and till this day i love them as much and it's just something i cant see the gay society experiencing. secondly it's not the kind of message i want my children growing up with i don't ever want them to think it's alright to be gay. Third it's just a mockery to god's plan the master who created us as man and women for each other even animals are created as male and female and they know better. Marriage is between man and women it shouldn't be the govt position to decide, should be up to the country leave it in our hands.
29/07/2012 1:09:14 p.m.
Nicky, I could not agree more. The Catholic Church needs to pay comprehensive reparations to the children that its ministers have abused over the decades before I would ever listen to them about same-sex parenting.And if Colin Craig really thinks the rest of us have forgotten the crimes of his fellow former microparty leader Graham Capill so easily, I hate to disillusion him. We certainly have not.
29/07/2012 12:30:41 p.m.
Homosexual behavior is immoral, and it is not about love as they say it is. Should family members also be allowed to marry because it is an issue of love? Or what about a 13 year old child and their older partner? Or what about polygamy and such. People will give any excuse to continue in their immoral behavior. We have to draw the line somewhere, i draw that line at a man and a woman is the definition of marriage end of story.
29/07/2012 11:14:47 a.m.
"All people, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity, have the same rights and freedoms" (Human rights commision NZ).Same sex marriages should be legialised. It is descrimination based on gender if individuals of the same sex can not get married.
28/07/2012 4:29:04 p.m.
Why is the Catholic church even weighing in on this? They have a proven long- standing history of child molestation. Why would ANYONE take their opinion on anything to do with children as a normal healthy opinion? And why is the opinion of some random dude who couldn't even get into Parliament being considered? Come on 3 News, is this REALLY your idea of quality investigative journalism?
28/07/2012 11:36:54 a.m.
Long time ago, homosapiens and neanderthals lived side by side. And then the neanderthals disappeared mysteriously. Now a new breed known as homosexuals appear to live among homosapiens. This new breed however cannot reproduce by themselves. They depend on homosapiens to increase their numbers, until they can develop asexual reproduction. And so the story goes on...
27/07/2012 7:58:14 p.m.
@James J Read.
Dont forget that the bible was put together in Nicea by the Roman Empire under Constantine the last Roman Caesar who supposedly converted to christianity.
He saw that rome was dieing... so instead of ruling via government.. the roman empire took control of the christian religion which included chosing which gospeals to include in the bible... many gospels were left out and hidden... some of them still reside in the vaults of vatican city.
The church through history has been more powerful than governments... so the romans saw it as the perfect way to continue controlling the populace.
27/07/2012 7:18:41 p.m.
@JamesIf you want to know more about St. Andrew's, check out their website. 3 News is simply trying to create conflict between the church over this issue. St. Andrews "affirm that the teachings of Jesus provide but one of many ways to experience the Sacredness and Oneness of life, and that we can draw from diverse sources of wisdom in our spiritual journey". In John 14:6, Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." By denying this, they are no longer part of what is defined as a Christian church. Check out more at: http://standrews.org.nz/social-justice/multi-faith/
27/07/2012 6:40:03 p.m.
Steve Key wrote:
I believe it's not right .It's obvious enough don't you reckon??? Man and women were created for each other, And why would John Key bring the issue up when there's lot of other issues going on far more important???to get us to forget there a other issues and the real reason why! Obama allowed it so will just copy...Prioritize the most important form the least important...
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