Goff, Key go head-to-head in fiery debate

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Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:02p.m.

Labour leader Phil Goff and Prime Minister John Key during the leaders' debate

Labour leader Phil Goff and Prime Minister John Key during the leaders' debate

By Ali Ikram

It was the debate Phil Goff said his opponent didn’t have the balls to front up for.

But it took John Key just two minutes and 50 seconds to get in a low blow of his own.

“What Phil Goff is not telling you is he’s out there spending your money a bit like a drunken sailor to be perfectly honest.”

So what shall we do with a drunken sailor?

Well, if your answer was stand there and argue with everything he said for an hour and a half, you’d be right.

Welcome to the first leaders’ debate.

First blood went to Goff, highlighting Key’s claim before last election that he wouldn’t raise GST.

“That was a lie and people are paying more for your food and they can’t afford it,” he said.

“I don’t call you a liar and that’s because I have respect for the office of the leader of the Opposition,” Key shot back.

“And I respect the office of Prime Minister, but you have to tell the truth John. You have to tell the truth,” Goff said.

“We did a fiscally neutral tax switch,” Key responded.

One man’s lie was another’s fiscally neutral tax switch. The pair disagreed on most major issues, except changing the flag; both seeing that as a waste of time.
“It wouldn’t be the first priority I did in Government,” Goff said.

“It can’t be our number one priority, there are so many things to deal with,” Key said.

So what does Key think his biggest mistake as Prime Minister has been?

“When it came to explaining the new BMWs – actually it was a very good deal for New Zealand, it didn’t cost us any money – but we got that wrong in terms of the coordination,” he said.

“So buying the BMWs?” TVNZ’s moderator Guyon Espiner asked.

“Not actually buying them, just explaining it,” Key laughed.

If there was a winner, other than what was on the other channel, it was Key whose talent is to simplify the complexity of politics into words a 10-year-old can understand.

“In the end actually politics is incredibly important and elections are a contest of ideas. This is the difference between New Zealand being a successful country that earns its money and pays for the things your kids want.”

But Key did more than that, going one better and explaining it in words a five-year-old could understand.

“Actually, we live in a global world.”

Yes, Prime Minister.

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03 Nov 2011 10:28p.m.

Jesse James wrote:

People who are committed to Labour will always trick themselves into thinking that the brave 'socialists' always have the best interests of the common people at heart when that is bollocks. They need to use just as much cold, detached pragmatism as National. The difference is, Labour's route is simply taking the money out of the pockets of the middle class by introducing capital gains tax and raising minimum wage instead of developing systems that ensure a stable economy. Big business isn't affected by minimum wage, small business is (i e: my dad's business) The very rich won't be affected either way, politics is like a hobby to them, but the backbone of society will always be the ones paying, and it's a choice what you end up paying for. Labour wasn't always bad. But it's nonsense nowadays.

03 Nov 2011 09:58p.m.

Joel wrote:

Wow the commentator is not even trying to hide his contempt for Key. TV3 seems to be about as 'fair and balanced' as Fox News, except their bias is a leftward one.

01 Nov 2011 11:41a.m.

John wrote:

I see the commentators all say Phil won the debate. I tend to agree with the 61% of viewers who thought John won the debate.

01 Nov 2011 11:13a.m.

Ricardo wrote:

I waited for substance. There was none from either other than bickering. Neither scored points for me. I wanted facts, not sniping.

01 Nov 2011 11:02a.m.

Cara wrote:

Well said Debbie!! My thoughts exactly! Obviously most of the media and the so-called political experts (phhhh) wear their rose-coloured glasses when looking at John Key, I most certainly don't and can see right through that lying fool! What a complete idiot and poor-excuse of a Prime Minister!! I hope New Zealanders take off their rose-coloured glasses if they are wearing them, and don't let this fool sell OUR assets and run OUR country into the ground!!!!

01 Nov 2011 10:44a.m.

ordinary kiwi wrote:

the prime minister is a disciple of the corporate fat-cat culture. Greed,greed,greed!!!!

01 Nov 2011 10:08a.m.

Leongs wrote:

The media? are the problem

John key owns shares in Bank of America, the same? banking that fucked over so many America family’s and also controls New Zealand’s foreign debt. *Dividends anyone?* Stillnothing.
Shell companies set up under? New Zealand's lax company? laws to?? launder money. linked to money launderers, tax evaders and arms traffickers. Still John Key decides NZ firms linked to money laundering is okay and not worth stopping


John key is a SNAKE!

01 Nov 2011 08:52a.m.

Doxy wrote:

None of us will have clothes if labour gets in because they hae already promises billions of expenditure and borrowing. Not goiod and very scarey. Buying votes.

01 Nov 2011 08:36a.m.

Clarke wrote:

Key was weak last night in the debate, he couldnt fight that he had lied so all he tried to do instead was justify his lies.

We live in a dynamic, global world" lol catch phrases that justify cuts to kiwisaver, cuts to working for families, increased GST, lieing about the BMW deal and then of course he began arguing that a low wage economy is good for us.

Poor, weak politics.

He basically said, because we live in a dynamic world... I will promise to do all of these things before the election however dont expect any of it because I am likely to change my dynamic mind.

So the kickoff was Key was promising to keep on lieing to the public... great start scumbag.

01 Nov 2011 08:19a.m.

eddie wrote:

I thought Goff would bust out in tears on a cpl of occasions....heehee...Goff-0 Key-1, roll on tonights debate!