Govt can’t rule out SAS link in Afghan prisoner torture

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Tue, 11 Oct 2011 6:18p.m.

Defence Minister Wayne Mapp

Defence Minister Wayne Mapp

By Patrick Gower

The Government has admitted it cannot rule out that SAS troops may have handed over prisoners that were tortured by authorities in Afghanistan.

The admission follows a report by the United Nations that found “systematic torture” was common in Afghanistan – with abuses like electric shocks administered during interrogation – with many committed at a prison in Kabul, where the SAS are stationed.

The SAS helps hand prisoners over to Afghanistan’s authorities, but it is what happens next that is of concern – torture is possible and the Government has admitted today that it can’t be ruled out.

“The information I have is that they haven’t, that’s about as far as I can go – we are talking about Afghanistan here,” says Wayne Mapp.

 

The Government’s admission has been forced by the United Nations. A report out today says there is “systematic torture”, including a prison called Department 90/124 in Kabul.

The UN says abuses there include:


  • Beatings
  • Suspects hung by their hands
  • Twisting and wrenching of genitals
  • Electric shocks

Asked whether he is confident enough to tell the people of New Zealand that prisoners caught with our assistance have not ended up in Department 90, Dr Mapp said that is just the information he has. Asked whether he is prepared to give New Zealanders that undertaking, he responded: “No, that’s the information I have”.

But the SAS and its partners in the Afghan Crisis Reponse Unit do hand suspects to the National Directorate of Security. Dr Mapp admitted that while New Zealand Defence had been told they didn’t go to Department 90,that may not be right.

“I would like to think it is correct but I am not prepared to go beyond the information I have received,” he says.

Victim testimony includes:


  • “There is so much beating at Department 90 that people call it Hell”
  • “They were beating me with hard plastic pipes on my legs and the soles of my feet”
  • And, “One of them held my penis in his hand and twisted it severely until I passed out”

“Our troops aren’t deliberately doing it, but they are being put in a position by Government where they are complicit in what happens afterwards to the detainees,” Labour Party leader Phil Goff said.

The UN report simply could not be clearer; there is “compelling evidence” of torture when international forces hand over captives in Afghanistan.

But the New Zealand Government really doesn’t like talking about what the SAS is doing in the war, because as every day goes by, our involvement becomes more politically damaging.

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12 Oct 2011 04:16p.m.

Hamish wrote:

Torture is disgusting and the wrong people regulary get interrorgated, but its a part of war and saves our boys lives. Information saves lives and kills the enemy, any politition who denies it goes on is a liar. Get ready for more of these wars, Dick Cheney promised that they would still be going long after we are dead, perpetual war Orwell called it. Write to your MP and get our guys out of there.

12 Oct 2011 12:20a.m.

Clarke wrote:

@and We handed them over with the knowledge of what was going to happen. Criminal facilitation In some jurisdictions, criminal "facilitation" laws do not require that the primary crime be actually committed as a prerequisite for criminal liability. These include state statutes making it a crime to "provide" a person with "means or opportunity" to commit a crime, "believing it probable that he is rendering aid to a person who intends to commit a crime. And torture is a crime. Knowledge of the crime To be convicted of an accessory charge, the accused must generally be proved to have had actual knowledge that a crime was going to be, or had been, committed. Furthermore, there must be proof that the accessory knew that his or her action, or inaction, was helping the criminals commit the crime, or evade detection, or escape. A person who unknowingly houses a person who has just committed a crime, for instance, may not be charged with an accessory offense because they did not have knowledge of the crime. The soldiers who handed these people over had knowledge of what routinely happens to prisoners in afghanistan which means that they were aware that handing prisoners over to certain factions in the afghan political system. National had always been aware of these facts, as have most people around the world. So the question is did we directly hand over prisoners to this faction. And the evidence is mounting to suggest that we have been, knowing exactly what would happen to those prisoners.

12 Oct 2011 12:14a.m.

kate wrote:

fish face banged it right on the nail. some innocent people get dragged into it. to JD put it this way, you can kick and scream all you want about not being a terrorist or a threat to politcal cause but until i kick you in the balls for a month and stick a whole lot of volts in your ass- then i might just believe you were telling the truth... guilty until proven innocent dont work in most cases.. and you wonder why people become terrorists ???

11 Oct 2011 08:37p.m.

fish face wrote:

Yes except many of those handed over to 'authorities' are neither terrorists or criminals. When society breaks down, as it has in Afghanistan, it doesn't take much to be labelled on the wrong side. You only have to look at evidence that has come out of every previous war to know that many innocent people (wrong place, wrong time, wrong colour, wrong religion, wrong political views, etc. etc. etc.) get handed over to the authorities for what they have done 'wrong'... Easy to sit here in our relative comfort and judge others...

11 Oct 2011 08:26p.m.

Brad wrote:

Is 'innocent until proven guilty' only a Western phenomena that Afghanis don't deserver?

11 Oct 2011 07:24p.m.

and... wrote:

so whats the problem here? they HANDED them over. its not like we did any torturing...

11 Oct 2011 07:02p.m.

JD wrote:

Oh those poor terrorists, how dare someone give them a bit of a beating, after all, they only planted a few harmless roadside bombs about the place and behead the odd Westerner that strays where they don't belong. Think the UN will be hard pressed to find many people that give a damn about that lot.