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Tertiary Education Minister Steven Joyce says the new initiative will protect both students and taxpayers

Tertiary Education Minister Steven Joyce says the new initiative will protect both students and taxpayers

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Tue, 09 Mar 2010 6:05p.m.

By Patrick Gower

The Government is to stop funding university students who fail and will no longer give them interest-free loans.

Universities have been warned they face the same medicine; they too must perform or lose funding.

Tertiary Education Minister Steven Joyce says the new initiative will benefit both students and the general public.

“It’s to protect both students and taxpayer that makes the contribution,” he says.

The interest-free student loan was Labour's move in 2005 - some labelled it an election bribe.

One-hundred-and-seventy-nine-thousand students take out loans every year, and the debt is now $9 billion.

National says the interest-free component will stay, but Mr Joyce wants to reign the expensive policy in by targeting those who fail.

“Ordinary students who are working hard and getting their degrees and diplomas don't have anything to fear,” he says.

Mr Joyce won't say how much it will save, but the pass rate at universities is 82 percent.

The New Zealand University Students' Association says it's a bad move, but students' views vary.

Mr Joyce also wants the institutions themselves to perform better.

He is threatening to cut the funding of the worst performers - the best will win.

“We're looking at some level of performance funding to ensure each institution gets a reasonable amount of its students through courses,” he says.

National doesn't like the interest-free student loan policy but it is stuck with it because it is a political reality.

It can only screw down around the edges, and Mr Joyce's changes will only save millions on a policy that costs taxpayers billions.

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Comments [13]

Ty Williams
12 Mar 2010 11:11a.m.

Tax payers have always picked up the cost of education in this country. And that is the way it should be if we want a decent society. My last year at uni (Otago 89) cost me the handsome sum $134 (excluding living costs) Steven Joyce would have had the same costs apply to him no doubt. I find it a little rich that the majority of MP's who attended uni for next to nothing continue to make it harder for young people to achieve.

That so many in these posts have so little regard for the struggles of the young people of this country speaks volumes about our societies moral fibre.

We now truly have an education system that favors the have's & treat's the have not's with the distain they undoubtedly deserve.

ian
11 Mar 2010 2:40p.m.

Once again,be responsible for the consequences of your own efforts and actions.Accept gracefully success,blame no one else for failure, especially when I and other tax payers are funding you.

John
10 Mar 2010 4:22p.m.

Harden Up? Yeah Right! Sue "Harden up students! I studied for 3 years and by working during each summer holiday break could easily save enough money for the coming years Uni Fees. It is still possible to get an education in this country and leave Uni debt free. Bring on the changes." My course of study barely leaves enough time to sleep, let alone work during the semester. I am having to borrow around $13300 a year for course fees and rent, and rely on money from parents for small insignificant things like food. In order to save this much money during the summer holidays I would have to work around at least 125hours per week (worked out at minimum wage-all a unskilled student can get). Gone are the days when students could get well paid seasonal work during their break. As for getting a education and remaining debt free, currently the best way to achieve that is to get the qualification then leave New Zealand and never look back (something which hardly benefits our economy).

Anna
10 Mar 2010 11:59a.m.

I personally don't think that much pressure should be placed on students who are already stressed out about passing their courses. Most students in the US don't pass their courses and I think NZ is a good example of when students get it right (most of the time). The last time I was studying I had to pull out of the course due to circumstances beyond my control and it has taken me long enough to get to the point mentally where I felt I could study again and stressing more than usual over money doesn't help.

Sue
10 Mar 2010 10:40a.m.

Harden up students! I studied for 3 years and by working during each summer holiday break could easily save enough money for the coming years Uni Fees. It is still possible to get an education in this country and leave Uni debt free. Bring on the changes.

ACCSUX not covered
10 Mar 2010 6:24a.m.

yea the govmt ,, and its workers should hav this applied to them ..all govmt workers and public servants. should hav to preform.. and as they have clearly failed to preform. ovr and ovr again. clearly unemployment has gone up.. therefore the minister in charge and public servants in charge of these ministries have failed to preform.. take there jobs ie take there funding.... ACCOUNTABILITY ,.. SOMETHING THAT HAS SADLY BEEN MISSING IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE AND AS WE CAN SEE . STOLE TAX PAYER $ CHANGED THE LAW TO MAKE THERE CRIMES GO AWAY. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. just like the ministers ,, paid to get our wages in line with other countries,, hell or above slave wages... above $ 5.00 an hour ... failed to preform... take there jobs take there funding. national promised jobs 19 years ago when they stole our acc .. forced us onto benefits.. then in the mother of all budgets stole from us further. cutting benefits... putting us further into poverty.. said we would have jobs,, but twenty years later still no jobs,, and the same shit propaganda.. apples.. they hav already failed ,, out ,, cut there funding ie wages .. crime and violence has clearly skyrocketed..so again they hav failed to preform .. take there jobs take there funding.. yes the schools teachers, and the ministers involved ,, public servants...are failing thousands and thousands of nz ers.. every year every generation... thats the teachers ,, and the mps...doctors ,, nurses... etc as is our hospitals .. schools ..police.. acc . take there jobs take there funding. CLEARLY WE NEED TO GO BACK TO A FREE EDUCATION,, AND TO GET ONE IE GO TO UNI... YOU MUST SIGN A PATRIOT DOCUMENT... TO THE PEOPLE OF NZ WHOM ARE PAYING FOR THERE EDUCATION.. .....YOU MUST WORK FOR NZ , PAY TAXES TO NZ.. THAT PAYES OFF YOUR EDUCATION COSTS.. AND YA CANT LEAVE OR YA QUALIFICATIONS ARE CANCELED.. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAY OFF THERE EDUCATION THEY SHOULD HAVE TO WORK IT OFF.. accsux..

Tuu
10 Mar 2010 12:56a.m.

@Bob- could you punctuate while you type? Or perhaps approach a debate in an Academic manner? Living costs can be borrowed also - these payments accumulate quite nicely into a holiday sized sum. Even better is enrolling Summer School, then applying for the living allowance at the start of Semester 1, the payments get backdated and paid as a lump sum. Also, calling a person who has read a news article and subsequently written comments about the article an illiterate... reading and writing, aren't they the fundamentals of literacy Bob?

thefutureofNZ
09 Mar 2010 11:26p.m.

- I failed a course years ago due to being sick most of it with glandular fever (i discovered well after they had failed me). I would hope that students would have a 2nd chance under certain circumstances.
But here are some very important points that need to be bought up for our countrys students:

- I had to go on the unemployment benefit for a few weeks before studying this year and once changed to student allowance, I DISCOVERED I GET LESS!!!What is going on?! No change in circumstances - none whatsoever.
UNEMPLOYED GET MORE MONEY ($25 per week) THAN A STUDENT who is actually trying to educate themselves so they can support themselves and their future families, pay taxes (& loans back) and contribute to the economy and labour skills of NZ.
- Lets not forget to mention students have higher costs when it comes to paying for travel, course related costs (which have not risen in over 10 years! even though text books, computer needs etc have).
- How are we supposed to have a well educated, functioning society that isn't dependant on a welfare system when students can easily fail due to working while studying to pay bills. That time should be on study the content of the course so our doctors can save lives, educators actually know what they are teaching, business people are successful in business etc.

Should taxpayers money not be going back into enabling our country and its people to stand on their own two feet instead of creating a welfare reliant nation that will spiral out of control. Where is the incentive to better ourselves in this country when we are paid more to be unemployed than be a student and are penalised by trying to study a 2nd time!
This may seem like a rant but it is all interconnected with this issue.
The current government and future governments need to take a long hard look at the society we are creating in NZ.
Instead of penalising study how about enabling it.

V
09 Mar 2010 10:19p.m.

Why are we struggling with this debt!. We all pay TAX's more than enough to fix all the roads , power all the infrastructure, Educate all our Kids. THE REASON WHY IS that we are being bleed dry by the BANKSTERS. Banksters who get zero to 1 percent money flood NZ with products we by them at ridiculous interest rates, then we OWE big time. I SAY lets kill the foreign BANKSTERS ban them from our shores JUST as Ice-Land And Greece are proposing and CLAIM our country back then these issues will not be problems because we will be getting real products for our real work instead of being ripped off by corrupt BANKSTERS and the Media Moguls who promote this rubbish of demonizing sections of society to justify their existence!.

ex student
09 Mar 2010 10:09p.m.

@Katrina - that is what happened a long time ago, the government cracked down on how they handed out the loans. Your fees go directly to the University, you get $150 (this is probably more now) per week living expenses and a one off payment each year of $1000 (again, could be different) to pay for expenses such as books. In all reality this money, for me, went to paying the bond on my flat, paying rent in advance, paying the bond on the power, setting up the flat etc. @Vicky I totally agree. We had to take a couple of courses at uni that were totally unrelated to our study programme. As a student who did work hard and pass my courses (MSc) I have a $50k student loan. Why so much? I had no other choice if I wanted to go to uni. I worked part-time but I had a full on course and couldn't work as much as I needed to support myself without a loan. When I return to NZ I will be paying my loan off (it gets taken out of our wages) for the rest of my life. I really can't comprehend why it costs us so much in NZ. I study in France now and my fees are 1/4 of what I paid in NZ and most students get financial support from the government for living expenses that they don't have to pay back.

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