Ken Ring supporters: 'Told you so!'
Mon, 21 Mar 2011 9:42a.m.
By Dan Satherley
Last night an aftershock rattled Canterbury, bringing a chorus of 'told you so' from supporters of astrological weather forecaster Ken Ring.
But did the relatively middling quake – at least by Christchurch standards, at 5.1 – really prove the 'Moon Man' right?
His followers say yes. But according to his detractors, not at all.
"I think climate wacko Nic Smith (sic) owes Mr. Ring an apology, or does 5.1 not amount to much?" commented 3news.co.nz reader Paul P on our article last night.
"Strongest aftershock of 5.1 tonight in Christchurch gives credence to Ken Ring's theory," wrote Freda. "Good on him for warning people and I hope Nick Smith and his fellow sceptics were having a late lunch tonight - they'd have felt it up there! Where does that leave John Campbell?"
Much of the believers' wrath has been directed at Campbell Live's John Campbell, after the presenter's aggressive interview with Mr Ring a few weeks back.
Most comments posted on 3news.co.nz overnight were in support of Mr Ring, but elsewhere people weren't so easily spooked.
On Twitter, the overwhelming majority of posts this morning mentioning Ken Ring weren't kind to the one-time clown and feline palm reader.
'Over on [Facebook] the ignorant are making themselves known with Ken Ring status updates," wrote user @RoperDope. "Time for an FB 'friends' list cull soon."
"A 5.1 causing virtually no damage doesn't make Ken Ring right!" wrote @DaniceDearborn.
So who's right?
The moon's closest approach to Earth, according to Mr Ring, would be at 9:44am, causing a quake soon before lunchtime. It would be directly over Spain, directly on the opposite side of the world. The quake actually happened at 9:47pm, just over 12 hours later.
Mr Ring said it would be somewhere in "Marlborough and N Canterbury". It occurred in central Canterbury, where there have been 5616 recorded quakes since September 4, an average of 28 a day.
He said it could a quake "for the history books". If this was indeed one for the history books, said books would consist of little more than minor earthquakes. There have been 18 measuring 5 or above since September 4 (excluding the 7.1 on that day), or one every 11 days.
In terms of the quake's power, it was miniscule compared to the September and March quakes. Last night's shake, at 5.1, released only 1/63 the power of the February quake, and only 1/1000 the energy of September's (click here to find out how these numbers are calculated).
One small dairy was damaged. There have been no reports of any injuries.
So it seems the aftershock has only strengthened the resolve of both sides of the debate – enough for the believers, but a bit too pedestrian for the sceptics.
Probably the least definitive answer we could have hoped for.
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24/03/2011 8:10:27 p.m.
I think that if he says he can predicated earthquakes, when no one really can, then he should be arrested for it.
He should be allowed to scare people, if you cant really predicate eaerthquakes.
24/03/2011 12:04:58 a.m.
JC and the media, led by the childish, emotive "Sceptics Society" have been frothing at the mouth to character assassinate Ken Ring for daring to have an alternative and heretical viewpoint, and suggest the moon can trigger large earthquakes. Its not about "truth", its about point scoring and ruining his reputation. Thats clear. Why the anger? Why are some people so threatened? He didn't go to the media. The media went to him after he became a victim of his own success , and the rumour mill started after the 22nd Feb. This angered the sceptics society that people were giving him Qdos, so they went for the jugular like any good "witch burners". I've heard a lot from the media, but nothing from Ken since the JC interview. Wasn't Ken just in it to scare people to make money for and to promote his website ( which doesn't sell EQ predictions btw)? Simplistic twisted garbage! I know what Ken thinks regarding EQ's as I've been acquainted with his ideas for over 10yrs, and largely agree with him. His ideas and messages have never changed. What has in this case, is the media's despicable treatment of him. No one deserves treatment like he has had. Night after night they were misrepresenting him, quoting him out of context and oversimplifying and twisting his ideas, and putting the boot in. Ken didn't defend himself and just sat back and took it along with the personal threats to him and his family. The whole saga to me was like watching a group of thugs beating up an old man.
23/03/2011 4:16:36 p.m.
I think he needs to calm down, from the reports i have been reading from a scientist! that a 5.1-5.8 earthquake would happen between the 19-20 of march due to the solar flares around the earth. moon man predictions are to far out and cover almost the whole month of every month, and living in christchurch listening to his shit makes it worse. we were all told that we needed to expect a after sock in the 6 mag but no-one ever thought it would be this violent. if we survived the 7.1 we thought we would be sweet, but we werent. u cant predict where or how hard a earth quake would hit and maybe every one needs to keep there thoughts to them selves unless u are a geoligist.My cousin has been to the alpine fault and told me there was no activity but with the whole pacific plate moving we will never know, by the way did ken ring predict japans eathquake or does that not count even if it is on the same plate as we live on. just a thought.......and please leave god out of it, he aint done shit for us lately, we are here to live and survive. we have earthquakes all the time in new zealand, we only just realised now because of wat has happened. we live on the biggest plate line also known as the ring of fire, im surprised that in my life time in chch i have only experienced them in the last year.
23/03/2011 12:17:11 a.m.
Isla, can you please clarify for us how the website you classify as “best” supports either one of the following topics being debated on?
a. That earthquakes cannot be predicted
b. That Ken Ring is responsible for people's fear after reading his predictions
Test your logic and analytical skills.
22/03/2011 8:12:17 p.m.
Fact: This is the best Ken Ring article to date :) http://www.getfact.co.nz/Articles/National/critics-say-moon-man-ken-ring-couldnt-pick-own-nose.html
22/03/2011 5:15:55 p.m.
May we know the credentials and achievements of those who maintain that they have followed a scientific approach in determining that earthquakes cannot be predicted? Likewise goes to members of the society of skeptics. Please publish on the net.
Remember a long time ago, someone claimed that the earth was flat and a lot of powerful people believed him. A long time later, this idea was challenged and replaced with the idea that it was round. But in deliberating on the strength o f this new theory, skeptics also resorted to ego bashing similar to what we are seeing now. What would have happened had the old theory never been corrected?
An idea has a shelf-life. Unanimity on its strength continues until someone makes a discovery to the contrary. That is progress. And what makes you think that great discoveries can only happen with the help of modern technology and huge funding? A talented individual can make great discoveries through keen observation, well-developed intellect, and thirst for knowledge. He is one not limited by the boundaries of working 8 hours a day.
22/03/2011 3:13:37 p.m.
In all of this, it is of little wonder science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard was [and still is] able to con so many with the scam that is Scientology. All those supporting Ring - be ashamed.
22/03/2011 11:18:33 a.m.
Ken Ring’s detractors reflect the way they will behave in the work place. They will be lacking skills in listening when a colleague comes up with something that may benefit a greater whole as what will matter most is that they be given a lot of time to say their piece whether there is something to gain from it or not. They will comprise those that will get paid to be at work doing a lot of talking but have no useful tangible output to show.
22/03/2011 8:31:38 a.m.
What is with John Campbell. He's like a dog with a bone about Ken Ring. Get over it JC! You are making yourself look like a chump, not Ken.
22/03/2011 6:48:49 a.m.
Scientists HAVE studied the moon/tide/earthquake links. Listen to this seismologist from California talk about her research: http://sciblogs.co.nz/code-for-life/2011/03/05/high-tides-and-earthquakes-an-interview/
Educate yourselves please people.
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