Music vid gurus in heavy demand

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Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:00a.m.

By Jesse Peach

The music video for the song ‘Turn Around’ by Sola Rosa lived up to its name for music video director Tim van Dammen.

Since making it, Mr van Dammen and camera operator Tim Flower have been booked solid - producing a video every week since.

The pair has got a reputation for making amazing videos from a small budget.

“I think we can generate just as good results with kind of cheap stuff,” says Mr van Dammen.

New Zealand On Air only give $5,000 for musicians who qualify to make a music video.

Mr van Dammen says that on such a tight budget you have to be motivated by your own creative passions.

“It's not one of those things where I’m doing it because I’m going to be a millionaire, I’m doing it because I like doing it,” he says.

Mr van Dammen originally started out making weird videos at art school.

A musician in his own right, he then tried out a few music videos for his own band, Collapsing Cities.

In November last year, Mr van Dammen got noticed for the video ‘Turn Around’ for Sola Rosa.

Since then, he has been so booked up he has produced one music video a week, creating videos for bands such as Luger Boa, Smashproof and the Checks.

He says that him and Mr Flower usually only use ideas they have come up with themselves, because it is important to love every video you make.

The Opensouls recruited the talents of the creative pair, and say it is their best music video to date.

Jeremy Toy, of the Opensouls, says the band was initially nervous with Mr van Dammen's laid back approach.

"It seemed pretty basic, there was only three crew (working on the video) plus makeup," he says.

But being low key is what the pair does best; they say music videos are all about having a good idea and executing it.
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14 Feb 2010 10:53a.m.

Ouch wrote:

Sorry Tim, you are not referencing those videos at all. What you have done is copying, reproducing, biting, ripping off, plagiarising. Plus I had a chuckle when you mentioned Universal Motown NYC, of course, also known as MTC in Newton. I don't get why you'd bother making videos when you are biting so hard.

03 Sep 2009 07:40a.m.

Tim van Dammen wrote:

I wish the ‘hater’ would give his name publicly – so I could talk to him directly. I’ve given my name in my responses and I don’t have a problem talking about this kind of stuff. I know that he works at Fish n Clips which is a big company that makes more videos a year than I could ever hope to, and for way bigger budgets. I can not convey enough how frustrating it is to have someone you know socially talk about you in important forums like this and not have enough balls to say who they are. They may as well start some facebook-based (or more likely bebo-based) abuse thread. Sorry for not replying earlier, Simon – I was at the Vodaphone music awards where I was nominated as best music video director for Sola Rosa’s ‘Turn Around’, alongside Chris Graham for ‘Brother’ and Sam Peacocke for ‘I Can’t Stop Being Foolish.’ I’m sure if you scoured the internet for long enough you’d find something that had some kind of abstract resemblance to the Turn Around video so I can be accused of more horrible things. I’m just a guy trying to make the best video I can for the best musicians in the country. If I get some cred for it then good on me. At the end of the day the question is, are the bands happy with their videos? So far the resounding answer is ‘yes’, they love them – that’s why they keep asking me to make more and that’s what makes me a lucky and happy person.

03 Sep 2009 07:40a.m.

Tim van Dammen wrote:

On a broader level, what’s at stake here seems to be a fundamental misconception about the nature of the music video form. If I subscribed to the logic of making videos without references then all that would be left would be cliche. I work with Universal Motown in NYC and when they want me to do a video they give me specific references – I’m given briefs such as “I want this video to be a fusion between Smack My Bitch Up and Terry Richardson photography” and that’s what I give them. If you’re looking for the music video chain of influence, watch the videos that I quote in my above response: The Dukes – “Vampires” vs Dexter/TrueBlood intros etc. If this kind of borrowing is taboo, next thing people will be copy writing slow motion or black & white footage or narrative intercut with boring shots of a band playing… which is most of the stuff on TV. I think if you subscribe to the idea that you shouldn’t use references then by default you think you are a genius when in reality you’re naive and inexperienced. What this comes down to is that a director at a bigger company who works with bigger budgets (all but 2 of my videos have been 5k) is trying to attack me, most probably out of jealousy. I support other people whose work I like – Joel and Cam at Special Problems, Shahir Daud for the awesome work he did with Perceive and PNC, Andy Morton for his MTC vids, Sam Peacocke who’s done some great work in the last year or so – and believe that a culture of mutual encouragement and support is the best thing for everyone. CONTINUED (I think I messed this up)

03 Sep 2009 07:39a.m.

Tim van Dammen wrote:

Since I got this little piece of press the other night I’ve been the target of a series of slags from one particular director. (He consistently refuses to give his name.) While his whole argument seems a little redundant, I must say I find it flattering that someone has taken the time to go through my videos looking for vaguely similar images and taking screenshots etc. Let’s deal with the immediate issues. First, the ‘In The Valley’ video was not a “rip-off” but a direct remake of Matthias Montero’s ‘Goodnight Stockholm’: that was the whole point. The question should not be whether it’s a remake – it obviously is – but rather ‘how well did I remake it?’ If it’s close enough to cause this much trouble then I must have done a pretty good job. The original is credited on in every media forum in which it features – magazine interviews, youtube etc (although not on my website as I’ve tried to keep that really minimal – it has no text at all). (I do find it ironic though that I am being attacked for plagiarising the “In the Valley” video when reproducing music video ideas that are so ubiquitous as to have become cliche (eg the generic “band playing intercut with literalising narrative” video) is entirely accepted practice.) Secondly, the inciting quote about how “Tim usually uses his own ideas” referred, in context, not to the question of conceptual originality but to the fact that I pitch ideas to the band rather than the band coming to me with an idea. CONTINUED BELOW

02 Sep 2009 11:11a.m.

Tim van Dammen wrote:

As far as I know references are used in all forms of entertainment. I've always credited Mathias (a friend of mine) for letting us use his GS video as a reference to make into a video for my band. Putting a band into stock footage is not a new idea either see Weezer video by Spike Jonze etc. I see the new 'The Dukes - Vampires' video (from Fish n Clips) is taken from the opening sequence to TrueBlood... the last KO88 video was based on a sequence from a Nima Nourizadeh video for Hot Chip (also Fish n Clips), they both work well... I'm not going to send hate mail to Fish n Clips for making videos that appropriate images from other sources that they think would work in a video they are making... There are hundreds like this its just the nature of the industry (Kanye West - Welcome to Heartbreak by Nabil vs Ray Tintoris Evident utensil video for Chairlift the list goes on for ever). Sometimes it works to take things, mix them up and make them new... I think you need to realize that its not the 50s anymore, modernist times are over... eg. Tarantino, Wes Anderson, Paul Thomas Anderson... all their movies are remakes of other films but they are all great films in their own right as well. I get a lot of support from people in this industry its a pity when you discover there are a few out there that - rather than be good and make better videos themselves - prefer to spend their time and energy slagging off others in their profession... it reflects worse on them than it does on the person they are talking down. This kind of stuff happens a lot to musicians that I deal with as well via youtube comments... When I was in London its a much harder environment to get work so anyone who started to do well was supported by the other people in their field, to oppose success is to side with failure... that seems to be what's happened here. Sorry for the rant. Thanks to all the people who support us out there, we'll keep trying to make better and better videos. Best, Tim.

02 Sep 2009 10:27a.m.

Cynthia Scott wrote:

Ha ha, jealous guy with fake name. Why can't New Zealand support its best talent... this tall poppy stuff is so immature. Good work Tim and Tim love your work!

01 Sep 2009 11:19p.m.

John McNeil wrote:

Great work guys!! obviously the last comment is a jealous competitor, your work is awesome! very original, haven't seen anything like it come out of NZ

01 Sep 2009 03:57p.m.

Reiner Protsch von Zieten wrote:

They usually only use ideas they come up with themselves but... Good Night Stockholm http://mattiasmontero.com/short-films/good-night-stockholm/ Collapsing Cities 'In the Valley' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvauYDuZDBY Prologue OFFF 2009 http://motionographer.com/theater/prologue-offf-2009-titles/ Kidz in Space 'Downtime' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWMEZZCvBUw Zabriskie Point (Michelangelo Antonioni 1970) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJsW6ta4X8o Collapsing Cities 'So I Said Last Weekend' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Im55J0HxhY