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NZ troops to stay in Afghanistan till 2015

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Wed, 05 May 2010 5:28a.m.
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By Duncan Garner

There's either something in the Afghani air, or the Americans have put something in John Key's coffee. I'm picking both.

Key's trip to visit the Kiwi troops in Kabul and Bamyan has had a massive effect on our foreign policy.

See a photo gallery of the people, culture and landscape of Kabul and Bamyan where Key visited

We now know Key is openly considering keeping 20-25 SAS troops in Kabul past March next year - when he said he would pull them out.

In political terms he's considering back-tracking - Phil Goff calls it a flip-flop.

Just last week he told my colleague here at 3 News, Patrick Gower, that the SAS deployment would not be extended. His visit has clearly affected him.

The US has also been in his ear. Biting it perhaps.

And now he says the Provincial Reconstruction team in Bamyan will stay on till at least 2015. Yes, 2015.

That means our Kiwi troops in the Bamyan Province would have been at war for 12 years.

Key says about 50 of the 140 troops will stay on. They'll be mainly civilians. He says the military component of the PRT will pull out after September 2011.

But it's a massive sign that this war has gone wrong.

No one knows who the enemy is anymore.

Key told me today it's the Taliban, other insurgents, corrupt leaders, drug lords and Al Qaeda - that means the coalition of 120,000 troops are fighting fewer than 20,000 people perhaps. And it still can't win. It still can't get on top.

It's a complex place Afghanistan. It's been at war for decades. Its history is based on centuries of fighting. That's why the head of the international force, US General Stanley McChrystal has asked Key and other leaders to stick with him. There's a new offensive coming in the south to take on the Taliban - who apparently number just 10,000 men.

They are difficult to nail. They are recruiting all the time. They cross the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan daily. Pakistan harbours them, the occupying forces in Afghanistan are struggling to get them.

So I've left Afghanistan with some strong conclusions.

I don't think anyone can win this war.

I don't think this war will end - certainly not anytime soon. 

If it does and all the troops exit the country - the Taliban will probably move to control some areas.

A US report says they already have supporters across different provinces – people who are opposed to President Karzai.

And the worst thing is this; should the forces leave a place like Bamyan, schools like the one I visited educating hundreds of young girls would likely close down. The Taliban hiding in the northern part of the province would be into the valley and, my bet is, the school would be torched.

Young boys from the school down the road already throw rocks at the windows.

Even now it's a fragile situation with the Kiwi presence. Our troops are effectively providing security to keep the Taliban away.

But how long can that last?

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Duncan Garner is the 3 News Political Editor based in Wellington. Here he offers his views and commentary on the developments of New Zealand's politics from within the Press Gallery.

 
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Comments [27]

Fynn
26 Oct 2010 4:52p.m.

I say evacuate as many people as possible, do a recon over a major Taliban base and get the Yanks to drop a nuke. I mean they've done it before and they didn't care.
Or pull out all the troops and forget about the damn thing. Actually do what they did in 2001. Bomb the hell out of everything and see what happens! :)

HELEN
17 Jun 2010 5:33p.m.

thats funny my american friends know nothing of the us staying another five years its news to them . it wont go down well in the us .

Andy
09 May 2010 11:53p.m.

First and foremost I do not understand a persons drive for the PM spot with the current world climate, the allied world leaders are taking on too much and seem destined for failure at all angles....having said that! going back as far as Piggy Mulldoon and to hear his account and new found respect for the then SAS squadron of their CT & CRW capability and handling of terrorist threats and situations offshore. Piggy was well impressed after standing between two static cardboard targets and having black clad action men storm a small room while firing live rounds either side,the start of a new warming in process for new PMs which has a profound affect and in years to come saw the increased funding to the defence force in those areas other than Navy and aircraft. The training of these Elite soldiers is top priority of NZ DF and comes in excess of $NZ 4m per soldier per year and John Key is more than likely upping that in the very near future as these soldiers are training constantly for Afganistan and other conflicts but the focus being the former as the world no longer fights as Rumsfeld explained coventional wars with conventional forces,and we must praise these soldiers and leave them there because that is what they signed up for twice in their careers and they are winning hearts and minds and cleaning up the scum.

nzkiwi
06 May 2010 8:29p.m.

jim, very intelligent comment. any more gems like that?

u are sillier than george w bush.

KIRITINA
06 May 2010 4:23p.m.

The world gets nuttier everyday. John Keys does mean well, but I knew once that four star major came in for a brief visit something was up. I think that staying there for another five years is quite along time for our NZSAS to help along side with those others. But realisitically we know if they never pull out now, they are stuck in there for along time. It is a hard one to say what will be, but for our servicemans my heart goes out to them and their families and friends. War is never a good thing, yes I believe in freedom and democroacy but politicians always in this case has the last say. The pressure, the you owe us or you cover my back and I will do the same for you. I dont completely blame anyone as long as we are on the right wing, no one ever wins, yet we shall not be moved seems to be the theory or alternative choice chosen today.

Low
06 May 2010 4:15p.m.

I didn't think Kiwi's were so swayed by the media until now. Watch Zeitgiest!!!!

Jim
06 May 2010 4:10p.m.

Well the fact is we are fighting in Afghanistan. The fact is successive goverments send troops there. The fact is we have fought in previous wars and will continue to do so. The fact is the majority of voters elect govermnents to let this happen. The fact is this is democracy in action.
So what ever you idiots say is not important - as we are there - so suck it up.

nzkiwi
06 May 2010 11:47a.m.

America and NZ making the world a safer place by invading Afghanistan? Bwhahahahaha! What a scream! A guy just blew up a vehicle in the heart of NY! It failed this time, but what about next time - and there will be a next time.

Invading 3rd world countries to steal their resources will bring retaliation. Killing thousands of civilians in their own country earns festering hatred for the 'liberators'. Some of u brainwashed halfwits will never learn. Key has put us all in peril. Soon u may regret ur stupid support of Amerika.

Ry
06 May 2010 9:16a.m.

Ok, for those bright sparks advocating war... Most if not all of the terrorists have left afghanistan.

What we are now doing is fighting to protect a corrupt regime.

I guess thats ok?.

America trained Osama and many of the terrorists that they are chasing, they funded them, handed them weapons.. thats no big secret.

So this war of attrition is primarily about New Zealanders possibly giving their lives to fix an american stuff up.

Sounds justifiable, uf you are a moron.

Go on morons, justify putting our lives at risk for a problem the americans created to begin with.

And Jim... go sign up now.. why does it have to be a world war for you to grow a sack?.

Its not about hiding under a rock, its about objecting to New Zealand soldiers being put at risk because of a problem the americans created.

Concerned
06 May 2010 8:56a.m.

It is quite sad that so many New Zealanders are so anti our armed forces "doing their bit" for the freedom and security of the world. Every NZ soldier in afghanistan has volunteered for this service. As a main they believe deeply that what they are doing is worthwhile and will result in a better future for the children of Afghanistan. Do these children deserve education, freedom or security any less because they were not lucky enough to be born in a wonderful country like our own? I am sure a lot of attitudes would change if those "kiwis" that want NZ to take an idealistic isolationist policy were to see the innocence and hope in the eyes of Afghani boys and girls. Our forces are doing an incredibly good job over there and deserve our full support. 6 months away from loved ones with the possibility of not coming home is not easy. To the deployed soldiers and their families I say Thankyou. Keep up the good work Thankyou.

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