National struggles for support over covert video bill

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 6:07p.m.

Prime Minister John Key

Prime Minister John Key

By Patrick Gower

A political stand-off is developing in the wake of a Supreme Court ruling which means that police can’t use spy camera footage as evidence in criminal cases.

The Government says it needs to change the law urgently to allow prosecutions to continue, but it may find it hard to get support from other parties.

“I think New Zealanders would be horrified if a large number of criminals weren’t made to pay their debt to society because some political parties don’t recognise the law needs to be clarified,” says Prime Minister John Key.

The ruling in the Urewera case jeopardises 50 investigations currently underway and 40 cases before the courts, Mr Key says.

But one of the country’s top lawyers says that’s an exaggeration.

“Does that mean that police are going onto private property on a routine basis, installing cameras on private property and taking photos there? I don’t think so,” says barrister Grant Ilingworth.

This is about intrusion of the state, so finding political support is difficult too.

Passing it in the six sitting days before the election would mean Parliament going into urgency – preventing the public from joining the debate.

“It is important that public scrutiny and the scrutiny of Parliament is given its fullest attention,” says Maori Party MP Te Ururoa Flavell.

National’s other coalition partner ACT is wavering too.

So that only leaves Labour – which wants it to go to a Select Committee at least.

“I’ve seen the rhetoric. I want to hear the evidence,” says Labour Party leader Phil Goff.

“We will make a decision based on the evidence we see and the acceptability of it.”

Attempts to make changes to search laws this term have been controversial – it is always a balancing act between fighting crime and civil rights.

Now, it’s a balancing act for Mr Key to get the political support he needs.

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21 Sep 2011 10:23a.m.

Wiseacre wrote:

The Police knowingly and willfully broke the law, violating the accused's right to freedom from unreasonable search and seizure under the Bill of Rights Act. They trespassed on privately-owned land without search warrants and conducted covert video surveillance with no statutory authority to do so. They were spying illegally on New Zealand citizens. Of all people, the Police should obey the law. Otherwise they're just a state funded criminal gang. The Police have violated the law & should pay the price for their unlawful behaviour; under no circumstances should their crimes be validated. To make a despicable situation even more disturbing, the Police broke the law so often the Government is now abusing its power and ramming through retrospective legislation to make that spying legal. What country do we live in? New Zealand, or some fascist police-state? The Police should not have the right to invade your home to place covert video surveillance just because they suspect you have broken the law. Remember when we had the right to be presumed innocent? I thought a democratically elected government was supposed to protect my rights and liberties, not sneakily weaken & remove them.

21 Sep 2011 01:33a.m.

Dan wrote:

@ Oscar and Matt: last I checked the law abiding value their privacy too. It's not that they have nothing to hide; it is the principle that the law abiding should never be subjected to these kinds of intrusions by the State. Furthermore, passing this retrospectively is condoning the police's unlawful conduct. We should protect law-abiding citizens and the defendant's civil liberties rather than the police who acted unlawfully.

21 Sep 2011 01:03a.m.

Dodger wrote:

Whatever the rotten Greens opposed must be good!

20 Sep 2011 11:54p.m.

TWE wrote:

Scumbag Key, what else are you going to sneak through with it, when you know that no one will have time to read and scrutinise the bill in its entirety, and why haven't have given it to Labour or anyone else to read? You don't want us to know what exactly is in it. If the bill failing means that the Uruwera accused get off free then so be it, it is not worth shredding the bill of rights because once we do that there is no going back.

20 Sep 2011 11:22p.m.

Clarke wrote:

yes have to catch all those rich right white collar crims that have been making headlines recently... what is it 10 arrested and charged in the last 6 months by the serious fraud office?. Labour is supporting the need for change.... even though eddie is lying... yet again. sigh. They just hate John Keys abuse of urgency to bypass the democratic process in the same way that a dictator would. National have already used urgency more than labour did in its entire 9 years. Why are they using it? easy, to keep the public from hearing expert submissions on their policies. Urgency allows National to bypass good advice and plow on ahead regardless of the consequences without having to wait on advice from trained experts.

20 Sep 2011 10:23p.m.

Dr .paula abdul wrote:

how could anyone vote this man that is more and more like a dictator each day. I can't understand anyone voting this horrible man.

20 Sep 2011 10:00p.m.

Matt wrote:

I want this to go through under urgency so we can all finally hear what was going on in one of our beautiful national parks. I agree too many crims are getting away on technicalities and anyone who would take issue with this probably has something to hide. The police are never going to waste there limited resources on watching people steel sheep or drop rubbish in the country. This is really around following the biggest underground terrorist act NZ has ever had and bringing the like of Tama to justice. What other group of people would manage to get name suppression for four years after the fact. It's not like it will affect their work prospects as I doubt any of the partakers had jobs anyway. Good luck John, stand up....

20 Sep 2011 09:53p.m.

Braam wrote:

We will expose and lock up all thieves and parasites! Your days are counted, trash of our nation. Viva National

20 Sep 2011 08:22p.m.

Fellowes wrote:

John Key is a threat to our democracy with the way he is trying to turn NZ into a police state.

20 Sep 2011 08:09p.m.

Oscar wrote:

I have always thought that the police are there to protect me and keep the country safe. If it means that they must go to such lengths to do this then I do not mind. Why should they not keep track of a secret training camp that could be a threat to New Zealanders. If a person is law abiding then they have nothing to worry about otherwise I would expect the police to be there to stop any future problems happening. Too many people are getting off with technicalities in the courts but it does not mean they are innocent. I hope the bill is put through.