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Helen Clark meets a Grey Power member

Helen Clark meets a Grey Power member

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Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:00a.m.

Prime Minister Helen Clark has put Iraq on the agenda this election campaign, telling a Grey Power meeting that had a National government sent NZ troops to Iraq, 60 of them would have come home in body bags.

Clark says she came to the figure by working it out as a proportion of the number of Americans killed in the warzone.

National calls the claim hysterical.

As the oldies arrived at the Lower Hutt Grey Power meeting today, it was clear their votes are up for grabs and Winston Peters is no longer their messiah.

Several told 3 News Peters is in some political trouble.

"He's a bloody idiot, but he's cunning," said one.

So in came Clark, making a kind of raid on Peters' traditional parade, with a chance to pitch for his people, and she choose to talk about Iraq.
 
She made a claim that if National had sent in troops, 60 would have returned in coffins, to applause.

"And for what? Is the world a single bit safer?"

Clark claims that is the number if you compare it on a pro-rata basis with America, which has lost 4152 men and women.

But Australia had 14,000 military personnel in Iraq, over five years - and only one died, accidentally.

Clark is sticking by her claims, although she seems to accept her maths might be questionable, saying the calculation was "back of the envelope".

Clark used her decision to stay out of Iraq successfully during the 2005 election campaign. Now it is clear she will use it again this campaign.

Through a spokesman, National leader John Key said the claim of 60 dead is hysterical and desperate, and that Clark should stick to the core issues.

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Comments [20]

Heather, Auckland
25 Oct 2008 5:57p.m.

I'm not disrespecting those who have died serving the war in Iraq and especially our men (NZ), but c'mon this is a war. Whether we are peace keepers or not, my understanding of what the 'WAR', is about, is in fact kill or be killed. The name of the game is survival. Why is there so much hoorah about the talley up of deaths. My son would like to go to the army next year. Although I'm dreading the thought of that ever happening I completely know and understand what that path would lead too. He will either survive or die. There shouldn't be too much empathy on the lifes of those who are in the army or war for taking other lifes or not. WAR is death, WAR is survival, WAR is protecting and most of all WAR is a sacrifice.

Alex
19 Sep 2008 11:49p.m.

"Alex, for goodness sakes even you can can come up with better than the idea America went into Iraq to kill brown people.

The US maybe selfserving, corrupt and deceitful but they don't just invade a country on the otherside of the world just so their soldiers can shoot a few 'brown people'. Whatever the real motives the US has behind their invasion of Iraq; Saddams WMD's, terrorist links etc were certainly a useful smoke screen to get them in there."

I see you picked up on the "brown people" part, rather than the "illegal invasion force" part. Whatever the motive, it's no better than going there to kill brown people, especially considering that's what's actually happening.

Alien
19 Sep 2008 10:55p.m.

The war wasn't about oil, you are right. The original war, Iraq attacking Kuwait was. Kuwait and American Companies were angle drilling under the boarder stealing Iraqi oil.

America has no intention of leaving Iraq. There is something there that makes it very valuable to stay there, and it's not oil.

Peter, Upper Hutt
19 Sep 2008 7:41p.m.

Alex, for goodness sakes even you can can come up with better than the idea America went into Iraq to kill brown people.

The US maybe selfserving, corrupt and deceitful but they don't just invade a country on the otherside of the world just so their soldiers can shoot a few 'brown people'. Whatever the real motives the US has behind their invasion of Iraq; Saddams WMD's, terrorist links etc were certainly a useful smoke screen to get them in there.

Peter, Upper Hutt
19 Sep 2008 7:26p.m.

Alien, I don't for a moment believe the US motives for going into Iraq. As for 9-11, there is certainly a lot of things that haven't been explained. Along with the TWA airliner that got shot down a few years before... etc. Anyone who thinks America is going to tell the truth is nuts.

By way of terrorists I was not referring to Saddams training Al-Quida link etc etc... but rather the fact that the insurgents aren't just killing Americans but are targetting the Iraqi population as well. They aren't freedom fighters, they aren't interested in freeing Iraq from America, they are there to kill anyone who stands in their way.

America's invasion is nothing as simple as a 'war for oil' or a 'war on terrorism'. So far no-ones explained why the US is building the largest US embassy in the world in the green zone. Were not talking a little complex here, but a mega embassy that will staff thousands. Does it have something to do with the major internet communications link being built in Babylon, Iraq?

America waved a piece of paper in the air and declared war.
Most people didn't believe their evidence. Now they wave a different piece of paper saying they were wrong and suddenly their honest? I dont think so.

karl
19 Sep 2008 4:23p.m.

How many economic casualties has the Clark government created by way of refugee's fleeing this country for a better life in Oz???? 6000 a month, calculate this with how many Americans are fleeing their country for a better life else where as refugees, Helen, what is your answer??

Alien
19 Sep 2008 12:28p.m.

what terrorists Peter? You'd think if America truly was against terrorism they would close down the schools of America, stop funding terrorists, and stop supplying them with weapons.

there is a good doco on 9-11 that uses main stream news footage to show that the official story does not fit with what is known, tv3 aired in last year or the year before.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811

The biggest terrorist in the world is America..

Alex
19 Sep 2008 10:39a.m.

"Alex I wasn't aware terrorists made a distinction."

We weren't part of an illegal invasion force to kill brown people.

Peter, Upper Hutt
18 Sep 2008 9:43p.m.

Alex I wasn't aware terrorists made a distinction.

Jim
18 Sep 2008 4:03p.m.

It seems like a politician can make an unwitting lier out of a calculator, well done Helen - yeh right

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