Lobbyists fire shots in debate over gun laws

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Mon, 11 May 2009 12:00a.m.

Individual guns have not needed to be registered since 1983

Individual guns have not needed to be registered since 1983

The Prime Minister has hinted that gun legislation may be subject to future review following the Napier siege.

Gun advocates say changes to gun laws are unnecessary, while gun control lobbyists say New Zealand is on a par with the United States.

Almost 250,000 New Zealanders have a licence to own firearms, the vast majority of them sportsmen. Many fear another crackdown following the outrage in Napier.

"There is a fear of a knee-jerk reaction, we've had it before," says Trevor Dyke, Licensed Firearms Owners Council.

But unease about secret arsenals in private gun cupboards goes all the way to the top.

"I think there is genuine concern about the widespread retainment of arms on an unregistered basis by New Zealanders," say John Key.

Under our system, it is the owners rather than their guns that are registered, a system that allows a single license holder to accumulate an arsenal by legally buying up dozens of firearms.

The police have lost track of who owns what.

"The problem is they have no idea because they aren't registered, and haven't been registered since 1983," says Philip Alpers, anti-gun lobbyist.

Even high-powered military style weapons are constantly changing hands - often in private transactions on the internet.

Semi-automatic assault rifles which can fire the same .223 calibre round that killed Senior Constable Len Snee can be purchased by any ordinary gun license holder .

"You can't control guns without making each firearm owner personally accountable for each firearm by its serial number," says Mr Alpers.

But gun rights campaigners say tighter controls are not the answer.

"It's these other issues out there," says Mr Dyke, "people without licences who seem to be collecting firearms or have had a licence revoked and still have their firearms."

And after almost 30 years of unchecked firearm purchases, the days of keeping track of them are long gone.

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12 Oct 2009 08:20p.m.

Monty wrote:

Hi, I am adding to this comment because I am a licensed gun owner in Australia and I can say that gun laws do NOTHING to curb crime etc. We have a very strict gun laws over here in Aus scince 1996 and the actual rate of firearm crime has gone up over the last 13 years!

30 Jul 2009 07:09a.m.

Simon Hastings wrote:

I agree to the previous post that the laws are pretty good but I would be happy regester my firearms with the police so that the do know who has what firearm it would also help in the identification of stolen weapons because not every hunter or sportsman has a register or knows what the serial number of the rifles are.. And to anyone who sayes that the rifles where stolen from the army it's very hard if not impossible for them to be taken with out the army's knowlege this i know from when i was in the army. even parts are hard to come by especially the Barrels they are all looked after under very tight restrictions.

13 May 2009 04:59p.m.

cherie wrote:

Alien

The police have not come out and said that he has stolen weapons from the military that I can see. Weapons being guns and rifles not "crackers". I can only find reference to "military style".
Friends saying that he had them IS gossip. It is not fact.
Let the police get the facts for themselves and you keep your juicey gossip to yourself until the police confirm things.
So Many drama queens!! This rates right up their with your "cult" comments oooohhhh spoooooky!!

13 May 2009 12:41p.m.

Alien wrote:

cherie, when friends of someone come forward with what they know that isn't gossip. obviously yet again you don't know the story you are commenting on. the police have already listed some of the military weapons, so go educate yourself for once before you comment on a story cherie

13 May 2009 09:51a.m.

cherie wrote:

So Ailen more unsubstantiated gossip.
And what weapons exactly did he steal from the Army?
I doubt very much that it will be anything lethal if at all, probably a thunderflash or smoke grenade.
The military take it very seriously and idle gossip does not help anyone. Lets just wit and see. If it is then heads will roll but until that time leave the gossip for the womans mags

13 May 2009 02:08a.m.

bob wrote:

wow,one person does something wrong;then the media and government start crying afoul!i`am a licensed concealed weapon carrier in tampa,florida here in the u.s. where i can have as many and even fully automatic weapons if i choose to junp through more hoops!here it is a god given right as determined by our fore-father`s.what i choose to do with it shouldn`t be infringed upon because of hysteria!if you don`t fight to keep your right`s that`s your business;but bear in mind,you now give up the right`s of your children and grandchildren!giving up your right`s is not the answer.look at great briton and australia;their system is working so so well!crime is up.sporting is gone.police can`t do their job because they are scared!no legel armed citizen`s to help out!just the bad guy`s to help you!now do you think the police will be there to protect you;or will they be there after the bloodshed just to fill out paperwork?police officer`s even in my country have no legal obligation to protect you;they only enforce the law!do you think your government has your better interest`s at heart?well,maybe a few.but greed and power leads to coruption;and without a way to defend yourself your country can become another nazi germany or cuba!look up the first national gun registration of a country and see what it eventually lead to for germany!i`m sure you all want that!you guy`s need to get on the move and protect yourselve`s by creating or joining an orginization like the nra to represent your roght`s before you lose them!sincerely,a free gun loving american to a (how long they take your freedom and right`s)new zealander!

12 May 2009 04:49p.m.

Alien wrote:

cherie his friends have already been in the media stating that they knew he had stolen the weapons from the military when he was in the military. That is why the mayor of napier and the police minister are calling for those friends to be investigated because they did not come forward sooner and inform the police. there silence has caused the death of a police officer.

12 May 2009 03:32p.m.

cherie wrote:

Why is it everytime something like this happens gun laws are thrown up agin.
Like the artical said the police have no idea how many weapons are out there with the bad guys,
They will never know so why should law abiding people get more rules and crap thrown at them.
Bad guys will always be able to buy weapons end of story.
Alien how do you know he stole them from the Army.
The balances and checks for their rifles would make it pretty hard to get hold of I would of thought.?

11 May 2009 10:21p.m.

Jeff wrote:

More controls and costs forced on to responsible licensed gun owners. These people already follow the letter of the law, securely lock away there firearms, keep there licenses renewed, use there firearms for hunting, target shooting and pest control only. Will this reduce the amount of firearms in the hands of criminals, of course not; in fact it will push up the price of firearms, thus making them more valuable and sort after for criminals to deal in.

Should we also double the price of car registrations because owners of unregistered vehicles are causing problems on the roads?

The government needs to sit down, take a deep breath and think about this carefully before throwing up new regulations that will not target or affect those that they need to be stopping. Double the prison sentences for unlicensed people holding firearms, triple the sentences for those using or threatening to use a firearm for the purpose of committing a crime, automatic prison sentences for anyone found in possession of a firearm and illegal drugs; target those that need to be targeted.

11 May 2009 08:24p.m.

Alien wrote:

he stole weapons while in the military. What will gun laws do for that? Nothing really. How about instead we bring the police in, and ask them how they feel about it. We do not need police carrying guns on the beat yet, but when doing a raid they should be armed, and outfitted. Perhaps we need to look at drug raids being done by the AOS.