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01 Sep 2010 02:01a.m.

Preacher wrote:

Scott I don't need to prove anything, its all in the media. In the end none of it matters. One of 3 things will happen when we die. 1st - Nothing, we just end. 2nd - there is an aftelife of some description. 3rd - Jesus is real and those who believe go to glory, those who don't... well its a shame they chose to go there. What do I lose if I am wrong and there is no God, nothing. What do you lose by not believing and he turns out to be real... everything. It's your choice, the only thing God wants from you is you; nothing more. You think he has a long list of do's and don'ts? Theres only 2 rules; Love god, love each other. Romans 10:9 "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead you shall be saved." I was an Athiest for 27 years just like you. Then I met Him and discovered He is real. The last 10 years have been one huge adventure I wouldn't have missed for anything. Peace and a blessing upon you, goodnight. JESUS IS LORD!

31 Aug 2010 02:33a.m.

scott t wrote:

Preacher- This discusion is going nowhere, I am contempt with the fact that religion will be history one day soon. point is things get cut and pasted by men, not god.
Allowing a baby to die would be an extreme case, a last resort rather than it suffer in life but I would challenge you to prove this happening.
I would consider 12 too young, but what is important to understand is age is not what defines sexual maturity is it, some 12 year olds may have sexual urges, the best thing we can and are doing for young people is educating them. It is not a black and white yes no situation. Again I would challenge you to prove both situations I its the first I've heard.
Again I think you are taking things out of context to the extreme, I think what you are reffering to is people who are being refused euthenasia taking extreme steps to end their suffering, euthenasia being allowed would eliminate these situations, I am all for euthenasia under the right circumstances.
"So why are you opposed to these things on the one hand, yet say if society accepts it, its fine." I hope I have sufficiently explained how this is a false assumption.
The main thing you need to understand about these issues is that there is no yes no solution for all situations, our key difference is religion claims to have all the answers, all the do's and don'ts, atheists are the opposite and say this is the situation, what is a reasonable coarse of action or solution. Do you understand?.
Do not make false statements like atheists want to let babies die or seniors starve, this is obsurd.
If God doesn't make people sick then who does, god controls everything doesn't he? I guess faith abondons all reason though doesn't it.
"Catching up with the bible" what are you talking about?
You've been healed? wow what were you healed of?

30 Aug 2010 11:40p.m.

Preacher wrote:

First of all, Leviticus is old covenant, the LAW to the Tribes of Israel, no-one else. Second the old covenant was done away with through the Cross, it was replaced with the new covenant which was for everyone. That covenant being Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength; and Love thy neighbour as thyself. Your second reference was a letter written to the Church at Ephesus, and the slaves refered to are Christians. Paul exhorts them to obedience to their earthly masters as they would to the Lord himself that they may win over their earthly masters through their good conduct. What society would want to kill disabled people? There are already calls for disabled babies to be 'allowed to die' at birth, and doctors in the Netherlands and UK have admitted allowing disabled babies to die over their parents wishes. Do you consider a 12yr old child to be mature enough to consent? Again the previous UK government was making moves to lower the consent to 12 to 'help' deal with their teen sex problem but abandoned it because of the election. Even our own Labour Leader Phil Goff has suggested lowering the age to 12. We have doctors in Europe killing the elderly and infirm, conscious patients being starved to death in the US and Canada as dictated by doctors orders. So why are you opposed to these things on the one hand, yet say if society accepts it, its fine. As for healing, yes I have been healed several times. You still seem to labour under the misconception it is God that makes people sick. He does not. I have a deep interest in Quantumn Physics, mainly because its just catching up with what the bible has talked about for thousands of years.

29 Aug 2010 08:58p.m.

scott t wrote:

Preacher you're back. Well I don't think I have suficient space in this blog, "You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)"
I needn't continue, you know its all there.
I "obviously agree with slavery"? what are you talking about?, I think slavery is horrible, is that clear enough!.
What society would want to allow slavery and killing disabled people?.
Sex with children and cows, right I will be clear again, sex is between two (or more) consenting individuals of sexual maturity, children are not by definition of sexual maturity and cows cannot give consent. I am firmly opposed to both situations.
Okay you've said this accepting healing stuff before and I rejected it, are you saying then that because you seem to understand recieving healing that you will never get sick? or may get sick but will be healed?.
This doesn't answer why god would make people sick in the first place, its just the same stuff you had drilled into you and you won't question it.
Oh so heaven is a planet now? right, who cares where it came from? there goes that religious ignorance again. I care and you should too. "hes there"...prove it.
You're last paragraph about asking the same questions about the universe, you are exactly right, we can and are asking those questions, but in the mean time we needn't just default to magic.
4 dimensions? ummm, 10 more?. you sound a little like an atheist asking questions about space and dimensions, good work.
check this out- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo.

29 Aug 2010 02:20p.m.

Preacher wrote:

Can you please show us where it says Jesus insisted on keeping slaves scott because it doesn't appear he had any? How exactly does it celebrate keeping slaves? You obviously agree with slavery since your saying that as long as society says its ok then anything goes. So if society thinks its ok to kill the disabled and infirm because they are a burden you think thats ok? I notice you didn't say you disagreed with Pete's question over sex with children. As for sickness and disease stopping then, no I told you before God won't force anything on anyone. He took it on himself, and in doing so made healing available to every man, woman and child. But its up too people to receive it. I can send someone a christmas present, but if all they do is stick it on a shelf and never unwrap it its useless. Thats why the Western world sees very little in the way of Gods power working, we're so religionised into the idea God never does these things its almost impossible to get anyone to believe into receiving. What does he walk around on, the ground what else. Heaven is a planet, it has a north, south east and west. As for where it and God came from, who cares, hes there thats good enough for me. The same question can be asked of this universe can't it. If, as you say, God didn't create it where did it come from? There's billions of light years of matter and energy out there across space, and thats just our puny 4 dimensions. What about the other 10 dimensions that science has found so far?

28 Aug 2010 09:54p.m.

scott t wrote:

@Pete- I don't quite know where you are coming from here mate, If you are an atheist then you know that you don't need religion to appreciate life, are you?.
Why do I bother living? well because I am extremely lucky to have the opportunity to bother and I enjoy it.
Global warming? this is part of my objection to religion, apparently god controls this and not man?!.
My objection to right and wrong refers directly to the definitions of right and wrong in religious doctrine, If you take a little time you will find that slavery was celebrated in the bible, jesus insisted on keeping slaves.
The law is right and wrong defined by society, it is fluid and changes with time, one of these changes was outlawing slavery.
I am going to kick back and enjoy it for what its worth, I worked hard all year and am now on 3 month holiday in Queensland, however at the end of the holiday I will probably go back to work rather than go out with a bang.
It sounds like you are making me into a stereo type of which you dissaprove, do you have an issue with atheists?
Your big rant at the end about killing myself and others is childish to the point where I think you may actualy be prepubescent, are you an annoying 12 year old?.
If you stole things then died it literally wouldn't matter to you, how could it, You'd be dead, it would however matter to peole that you have left behind.
I said I don't "believe" in anything literally,
I said right and wrong as defined by his god was useless (remember slavery) and that law defined by our current society (including "slaves") is better, when you are a big boy you might understand this.

28 Aug 2010 12:50a.m.

Pete wrote:

Scott, do the rest of us a favour. Since you don't believe in anything, why do you bother living? What is it your trying to achieve? All your doing is screwing up the planet for everyone else by contributing to global warming so why are you here? You reject the idea of 'right and wrong' prefering 'law'. Great, so if the law says its ok to screw a cow or 5yr old boy that makes it ok? I don't think so. The law said it was ok to keep slaves once, that didn't make it right. Besides which, if this life is all there is why not just kick back and enjoy it for all its worth and go out with a bang. Who cares if you kill people doing it, their lives are worthless anyway. Might as well steal everything I can get and enjoy it while I can huh. After all, once I'm dead it won't matter cos no-one will care. So I ask you, why do you bother even getting up in the morning? It's all rather pointless if this is all there is huh.

26 Aug 2010 11:50p.m.

scott t wrote:

@Pete- So you don't?, my mistake, as it was yours to make assumptions and judgements in your previous comment. I am simply asking him questions and challenging his comments, whats wrong with that?.
I would have to disagree, people are being harmed daily in the name of faith and I think it is very important to challenge the idea that faith is passive. you could call me an idiot if you don't agree with me if you like, I wouldn't go that far as to me you don't sound like an idiot but maybe someone who hasn't considered the damaging extent of faith as much as me.
Intolerant? I am intolerant of intolerance I will admit,I would consider someone who judges people by sexual orientation as intolerant, someone who would challenge a womans right to abort a pregnancy as intolerant, someone who say's no one can do this if my old book says so because a god who cannot be proven told us.
It is harming me and you, I am not talking about preacher or christianity, I am talking about faith and superstition.
Preacher made some statements and I asked some questions, maybe you shouldn't be intolerant and let us continue, it isn't doing you or anyone else harm is it?
what stupid arguments?

26 Aug 2010 04:11p.m.

Pete wrote:

Excuse me, but where do you get the idea I believe in God? Its idiots like you who give the rest of us a bad name. Let Preacher alone, if he wants to believe in God he isn't doing you or anyone else any harm. You on the other hand are far more intolerant and seem bent on picking stupid arguments.

26 Aug 2010 11:39a.m.

scott t wrote:

@Preacher-If you know it all and you still think this guy is peacefull then there's nothing I can say to convince you is there.
But I thought you said Jesus bore all the sickness on the cross? shouldn't it have stoped then?
Was I expeting a Chicken? Why so childish?. This is why I ask, God has feet? does he walk around up there? who made the ground he walks on? gods god? see what I'm getting at not to mention having a bum to pass all that beef stroganof he's eating up there fom the cows god god made him.
Why would this all powerfull creator of a world need a body at all? If he is a man like you and me then he must have evolved through a slow process of cumulative selection.
Come on mate, don't be scared to ask these questions, whats the worst that could happen?.
@Pete-"arguing relativism"? when did i do that?.
Yes right and wrong are words technically, the meaning of which is defined by, you guessed it, law. "who's law"? well that depends which country you live in doesn't it, for you and I New Zealands law (although right now for me its Australias law).
Are you saying I seek to justify Hitler or Pol Pot? its a favourite for you lot to say "oh but what about murdering atheists!"? well what about them?, they chose to be evil all by themselves. Hitler didn't accept your god not because he was an atheist by the way, he thought he was god and that he was invulnerable.
I believe in myself? why should I need to believe im real when I can prove it?, what nonsense.
I wouldn't steal or kill because that is against the law and honestly I just don't think I would fancy it, I wouldn't lie or cheat as how would that help me help others?.
While you and preacher are standing there together would you ask why your gods did this, maybe preacher would tell you its part of gods plan so you should accept it and die, can't say I'd be comfortable with him.
These things you say to mock me can be easily thwarted with calm reason, any other doozys?