Online community furious over copyright amendment bill

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Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:32p.m.

Tougher measures may see people have their internet access

Tougher measures may see people have their internet access

By Liz Puranam

The online community is furious over the rushing through of the copyright amendment bill, which could see New Zealanders who download free movies or music from the internet fined up to $15,000.

And if after two years the new regime's not working, tougher measures can be introduced which would see people have their internet access cut off.

The online community says it should never have been rushed through without any warning, and claim it was passed by luddites who have no knowledge of how the internet works.

The new law comes into effect on the first of September.

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15 Apr 2011 02:26p.m.

Chargone wrote:

which dumbarse is responcible for the constant referance to 'free' music beign illegal? what the hell people? if the musician puts up their own stuff available for free, then accessing it and downloading it for free is entirely leigitimate and legal even WITHOUT getting into the insanity of copyright law in any further detail. the issue at hand is people putting stuff up for free for which they DO NOT own the rights. even then, guess who is, and should be, legally responcible for That action? i'll give you a hint: it's NOT the person who downloaded it unless they then share it further. the issue is a legitimate one, copyright serves a purpose and is there for a reason but is massively abused, mostly by corporations, and ignored/has loopholes exploited by the general public (largely, but not entirely, in responce) as well as beign difficult or impossible to enforce, so needs a major overhaul. the amount of idiotic propaganda and decision making based on what comes down to a combination of outright bribery and/or extortion on an international cscale, however, leaves me wishing i was the sort of person who had the resources to ... remove... a lot of high ranking people. (i don't, probably never will, and am not that sort of person anyway.)

15 Apr 2011 10:24a.m.

johnmillan wrote:

What if I went and bought a film from a shop and got my mates to record it from a dvd player to a dvd recorder is that not a crimminal act?, the same as having 2 dvd players recorders copying music from a disc to several?is that a criminal act? if so why have dubbing on a sterio etc also why do they sell blank disc!s and tapes then?Is that not copy rite? to go to a museum and photo pictures on a wall is that not copy rite?When does it become legal?only when it suits a politician it is a fast a idiotic idea and this is what Key government is honestly good for this sort of idiotic ideas.Maybe they have shares in the recording industries? Soon they are going to follow Australia and make it illegal not to smoke in your car if your child is under the age of 18yrs.OOPS I made an era there?I have written some thing that the Nats have not copied Australia yet, or maybe it is a copy rite issue.They should be more concerned and get the sights removed of pornography from computers,or is this the area that gets watched in Parliaments spare time as they seem to all be Wa---rs just look at some of those eyes hidden behind glasses and contact lenses.They should not put hoardings up on the roads at election time with those smug faces on, is that not a distraction to the drivers?

15 Apr 2011 10:02a.m.

james wrote:

I think the real concern here is it has nothing what so ever to do with an earthquake in Christchurch. How stupid is NZ to swallow this clear case of deception. I'm not in favour of those who break copyright laws but this is more about money than privacy, thats for sure

15 Apr 2011 08:08a.m.

Sam wrote:

The problem is the government! and now they just opened the door to the black market to make money.Bring on November!! were I WILL HAVE MY VOTE!!

15 Apr 2011 07:03a.m.

Doofus wrote:

At least the government is trying to do something about the problem. The common attitude at the moment is that if you can get something without paying then you're a mug if you don't. The truth is that if you take something for free without the express permission of the owner then you are a thief. Doesn't matter if you were not the original thief - you still know you are a criminal.

15 Apr 2011 12:36a.m.

Kim wrote:

Has anyone bothered to explain to these fools that to prove that a client has downloaded a song they would require the isp to provide proof of what was downloaded for it to meet NZ law requirements. Now i know that while the connection between ip addresses can be tracked and recorded easily the actual data flowing between the 2 ip's would need to be recorded and stored if it is going to be available for evidence in any prosecution. Now as i understand torrents you rarely if ever get or give a full movie song or whatever to any one person. It works by grabbing or seeding (the term givin to allowing download from you) different packets of data from/to multiple sources which can change at any time. That makes it difficult to track certain ip addresses so they would need to record all traffic....from everyone...and then back that up in case of disaster. When someone wants the proof they would need to filter through all that data and pick out the bits of the song (admittedly not that hard if you have recorded all traffic)that went from one ip to another then prove that that makes up a song/movie or part thereof. Another question i have. if you dont actually give a whole song/movie/whatever and only give small bits that cannot be assembled into the whole have you really broken copywrite? it matters not that they got the bits that complete it from somewhere else (probly outside NZ) you never gave them a working copy. My advice....Ask em to prove it.