Pokie deal will harm economy - Greens

26/01/2013 10:07:40 a.m.

katubaldy wrote:

Aye.

24/01/2013 10:08:13 a.m.

Paora wrote:

Yes, I agree embellishments can be a frustrating part of what all Governments do and a cause of much discussion from both sides of the divide. The small minded debates that arise over percentages or numbers that are often irrelevant in the larger picture (as with the Great Film agreement discussion) are just as frustrating but what I dislike the most is the unnecessary name calling used by some writers who seem to take perverse pleasure from their derogative comments.

23/01/2013 10:09:11 p.m.

katubaldy wrote:

Nothing to do with positive or negative.More to do with pulling rabbits/numbers out of a hat to push their agenda. It's becoming National's approach to embellish and airbrush the goods when they're selling their snake oil. I'm rapt kiwis are working and making money but that was never what the debate was on. Let's see if Joyce can clean up the Novopay mess and get teachers back to a regular functional payroll. National needs to show NZers they can resolve any given situation or problem to benefit kiwis or the govt hasn't changed its' tune at all....I'm hoping for the sake of all the teaching staff starting the new year that it doesn't begin like it ended last year.Fingers crossed....

23/01/2013 8:44:52 a.m.

Paora wrote:

KATUBALDY. Looking at the bigger picture if it's 3000 or 5000+ matters little. The fact you don't seem to wish to accept is there was more to benefit everyone by retaining the film industry here than losing it overseas. Nothing is achieved by disagreeing over the job numbers and positive people are grateful they actually exist whatever the final number is. Without the filming, that would not have been the case.

22/01/2013 10:16:27 p.m.

katubaldy wrote:

Come in spinner?If the new jobs number is unreliable,then the 'new and saved' jobs total you're on about is unreliable as well?Is that simple enough for you to comprehend?...Again if you use the word 'and' it means you're adding the totals together, so if one half of your total is doubtful, it makes the overall total unreliable as well,getting flustered doesn't change the laws of maths man...As far as not responding to the problems that face this country, its exactly the same stance Joe Key takes so why would his supporters be any different?

19/01/2013 9:44:16 p.m.

PAORA wrote:

KATUBALDY. You are the one still missing the point not me. You are talking NEW jobs. So is Joyce. But, I am talking a combination of NEW and SAVED jobs. Read my lips. Listen to the words. Open your eyes. Read what I have said (several times) and stop getting yourself confused. This is a perfect example of why you continually get things wrong, you don't read what's in front of you. And, why should I respond to any of the red herrings you have added to your discussion when they neither have anything to do with the item in hand, nor reply to the unanswered points I have made.

19/01/2013 6:31:41 p.m.

katubaldy wrote:

Wow you always miss the main point and try to have a go at the messenger man? The minister,Stephen Joyce said himself, he couldn't confirm the number of new jobs. Also documents of the dialogue show that the 3000 number was effectively pulled out of 'thin air' which leaves all the estimates associated with the project as suspect at best, more likely highly questionable.This was bought to light using the Official Information Act,which you might think is meaningless but has nothing to do with some agenda I have? You still haven't bothered responding to the long list of disasters as well bro. The sooner you can come to terms with the fact last year was a disaster for this govt, the sooner you can talk about it.Ya can't keep dismissing information that doesn't agree with your statements....or maybe...you can?

19/01/2013 11:55:38 a.m.

Paora wrote:

KATUBALDY. Again you only partly read an item and make incorrect assumptions before spreading untruths about what you misread. You then ignore the rest of the points made and go off on a completely unrelated direction needlessly casting off sarcasms in all directions. As is your wont. I did not mention 5000 new jobs! I said there were 5000+ jobs as a combined figure of both NEW and RETAINED jobs because of what John Key negotiated to keep the film industry business in NZ. Which is quite a different point than the one you have started arguing about. Rambling on as you do all over the place with meaningless comments that have nothing to do with the item in hand, clearly shows your 'Puff' is exhausted.

18/01/2013 7:49:03 p.m.

katubaldy wrote:

Yeah National were in damage control and on the back foot over the validity of those employment numbers from the movie deal this week. The '3000' new jobs talked about originally, under closer scrutiny looks to have been stretching the truth and buffered by jobs already existing. Steven Joyce couldn't confirm the 3000 jobs were all newly created or not and now you're saying its 5000 jobs? You might want to update Mr Joyce so he can release a press statement bro...That leaves the deal with the Sky casino as National's major source of leadership to show kiwis the way to the bright future. That looks kinda thin, up against Novopay,Kim Dotcom,record unemployment totals, the stupidly high currency speculators are cashing in on,John Banks solicited (anonymous) white envelopes, the CHCH schools reorganization screw up, the GCSB fiasco, the Pike River aftermath debacle, the badly organized treatment, zoning and (illegal) rezoning of CHCH's 'quake-damaged' house owners,the attempt to up-size classrooms and the embarrassing retraction of that misguided idea,the rush to offload our incoming earning power companies,the David Bain settlement screw up,the movement and/or eviction of state house tenants both last year and early this year already, more Novopay and the govt sponsored exporting of unemployed kiwis to Aussie,(that one initially got big laughs). Great start to a 2nd term. Sorry mate there were a few others but I'm running out of puff again....give me a break. It isn't negative to ask why all these blunders are happening is it? National scrapped in last election on one of the lowest voter turn outs in years and had to rely on the sunny character of John Banks to squeak past the post.Kiwis are unfortunately learning the hard way that elections have consequences and if you don't bother to get out and vote en masse, you end up with the kind of governance we're seeing in 2012. The only leadership this govt has shown, to most kiwis, is in a race to the bottom.

18/01/2013 11:02:29 a.m.

PAORA wrote:

KATUBALDY. Leadership you want? I see leadership in making positive changes to negative labour laws to retain the film industry in NZ, that saved / created over 5000 jobs as a combined total that would not have happened if the film industry moved off-shore. That created over 10 times the tax income than the tax rebate negotiated with the film industry, that gave priceless advertising of NZ everywhere the film's are to be shown which will increase ongoing tourism and visitors to our country, that will contribute positively to the NZ economy for many years to come. I see leadership from negotiating a successful outcome with the casino to provide an international conference centre in Auckland at no cost to NZ for 300 more casino based poker machines that will still number less in the country than there were when Labour was in power. Again the country will benefit as a whole from the extra tourist income. While you seem to look at only the negative side of things it would be good and more honest of you to look at the bigger picture which fortunately most other people have, which is why I presume they voted in the current Government.