Police questioned over surveillance bill

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Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:50p.m.

The Video Camera Surveillance Bill passed its first reading last night

The Video Camera Surveillance Bill passed its first reading last night

By Laura Frykberg

Police say without a Bill that will legalise their ability to use spy cameras on private property, not only are serious investigations jeopardised, but also public safety.

The Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Bill passed its first reading last night and today police were questioned by a Select Committee to explain the consequences if the Bill doesn’t become law.

The rushed legislation has been criticised as a dangerous quick-fix, after the Supreme Court ruled video evidence collected in the so-called terror raids was illegal.

But tonight police argued that ruling also affects 47 ongoing cases, involving 229 accused.

“Those investigations include allegations of drug dealing, manufacturing, robbery, kidnapping, drug importation, money laundering and other serious offending,” says Police Commissioner Peter Marshall.

Police didn’t think they were breaking the law before the Supreme Court decision and hidden cameras provide good evidence in court, Mr Marshall says.

But ACT MP Rodney Hide was astonished police hadn’t previously clarified what they were doing was legal.

“I’m just amazed with your resources you weren’t knocking on the door of the Minister of the Attorney General and saying, ‘Give us the tools’ – did you ever do that?” he asked.

“Not to my knowledge,” said Mr Marshall.

Police say covert filming is common in other countries and if it is not allowed here, there could be safety concerns for the public.

“Without the ability to employ these tactics, the offenders of these top end crimes may not be brought to justice and that is most definitely a public safety consideration,” says Deputy Police Commissioner Mike Bush.

Mr Hide’s scepticism is mild compared with the Greens, Mana and the Maori Party, who all think it gives police too much spy power.

But whether the police have helped push the Bill closer to becoming law won’t be known until the committee reports to Parliament on Monday.

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07 Oct 2011 09:31a.m.

Andy wrote:

Call me cynical if you like but when a taxpayer funded workforce (the police), which at the last count had over 1000 of its members found guilty of offences such as rape, kiddy fiddling, violence, benefit fraud, robbery, drug dealing, perjury and perverting the course of justice etc - and incredibly allowed to keep their jobs by chief constables exercising their discretion, wants to further invade our privacy I say no! The police in my judgement are simply a motley collection of thieves, liars, sex offenders and violent bullies, who believe, because of the inactions of week, limp-wristed chief constables, that they are beyond the law. Do not give them more powers. They are not to be trusted.

30 Sep 2011 11:22p.m.

Brett wrote:

Jan... what a lovely person you are, even i wouldn't wish nasty things on others. :) I see your frustrations and that the Police in your eyes will always do wrong no matter what they do and that you'll always back the criminal element in society. As i stated earlier the Police will still need to apply for and have grounds to support a warrant in order to use surveillance equipment on private property.

30 Sep 2011 10:08a.m.

jan wrote:

hey brett i commented on your comment but the watchers must of deemed it to be to upsetting to you to be displayed. i hope one day, you or your family get done over by the cops, then see how your attitude to them changes. egg. and this is the polite version of what i wrote.

29 Sep 2011 10:06a.m.

Brett wrote:

I have no problems with this bill being passed. The Police still require a Warrant which is issued through the courts to install such devices on private property. The Police are in a situation that there damed if they do, damed if they don't. At Jan... You have some serious issues! If you think you can do better then go see the local recruiting officer instead of bitching about it.

29 Sep 2011 07:46a.m.

jan wrote:

the public's safety is at risk. bullshit. the police know what the law is after all they are surposed to be upholding it, not breaking it. they are liars. so what cops, start again with your investigations. you will have the illegal surveillence to look back on, to go forward to capture those you are watching. then destroy that original illegal information and lie in court like you do and you will win. $1000+ a week and you can't think of that, oviously you are recruiting fit thick people or ones that can't be bothered doing some work. that goes for the top people as well as the ones on the street or in reality (cops in cars who just like speeding and using the siren and shooting innocent bystanders).

29 Sep 2011 04:54a.m.

Grant wrote:

Drug consumption is a social problem that has been turned into a criminal problem by the moral inadequacies of those that obtain public office. This is the reason drug dealing is profitable and dangerous to the public.
As for the wannabe terrorists. Its time those calling themselves Maori took responsibility for the culture of greed, elitism and separatism that pervades those with a drop of Maori blood flowing through them.
It is a testiment to the incompetence of these wannabe terrorists that the Police could so easily engage in unlawful surveillance of them.
As for the Police, it is a democratic shame that they are engaged in a process of having their deliberate illegal activities legalised by an utter corruption of the legislative system.
It is an insult to public safety and the democratic state when those charged with the responsibility of creating investigating, prosecuting and judging crime conspire to circumvent the rule of law.
Roll on the police state.

28 Sep 2011 11:59p.m.

Hamish wrote:

Give the cops the tools they need, but make sure they are accountable, nothing wrong with them having to petition a judge for a warrant. Does it have to be all or nothing?
No fascism in NZ.

28 Sep 2011 11:09p.m.

Chong Lee wrote:

Everyone has the right of Privacy on private property, if just the Big Brother having more control over us and the NZ government knows this! Soon if you want privacy, you may as well move into the bushlands!