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Provocation debate continues to rage

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Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:18a.m.

Clayton Weatherston (L) and Ferdinand Ambach (R)

Clayton Weatherston (L) and Ferdinand Ambach (R)

Despite a parliamentary committee recommending the partial defence of provocation should be abolished the Law Society wants it to stay.

The justice select committee yesterday recommended the opportunity for a defendant to get a murder charge reduced to manslaughter because they were provoked should be removed from statute and common law.

The MPs recommended the Crimes (Provocation Repeal) Amendment Bill should be passed into law.

Jonathan Krebs, convener of the society's criminal law subcommittee, today said some form of diminished responsibility was needed.

Select committee chairman National MP Chester Borrows said diminished responsibility was catered for in sentencing.

The jury must consider whether murder was committed and the judge should consider provocation in the handing down of a sentence, he told Radio New Zealand.

The committee's report said allowing judges to consider provocation as a mitigating factor in sentencing would mean in extreme cases someone found guilty of murder could get less than life imprisonment if the judge believed that sentence was "manifestly unjust".

The partial defence of provocation came under intense debate after Otago University tutor Clayton Weatherston argued he was provoked into stabbing girlfriend Sophie Elliott 216 times.

Weatherston pleaded guilty to manslaughter but the jury found him guilty of murder.

In July, Ferdinand Ambach was found guilty of manslaughter rather murder after killing 69-year-old gay man Ronald Brown.

Mr Brown was beaten with a banjo before the instrument's neck was rammed down his throat. It was alleged Mr Brown made sexual advances to Ambach.

Ambach and Weatherston last week both mounted appeals.

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23 Oct 2009 11:36p.m.

Kathy wrote:

I agree with the Law society the defence of provocation should stay, there are instances where the mitigating circumstances are valid and it distinguishes degrees of murder. I was on such a jury some years ago - the mitigation factors are tested in the trial, the defence of provocation should never be relegated to the statute book of New Zealand history as it is a useful tool that helps deliver justice. The accused doesn't get to go home and sit in their cumfey chair and watch the TV, they must serve their full sentence. But not in the Weatherston case - that was the worst example ever of the defence of provocation! But think on, you never know it could be your family member standing in the doc and if the circimstances were in their favour do you think they will waive this right?

22 Oct 2009 07:48a.m.

Elizabeth wrote:

what on earth are you implying to Jan? Your comment was weird and I'm failing to understand it!!! Of course it was Clayton, and for your infomation it wasn't love it was obsession and jealousy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20 Oct 2009 06:59p.m.

Jan.. wrote:

How true that he stabbed Sofie 126 times, did you see him stabbing Sofie 126 times..
Did Weatherson really committed the crime, did someone else committed the crime and Clayton Weatherson walked in and find his Sofie already dead, throw himself on Sofie then he would be covered in Sofie's blood,If his love for Sofie is stronger that he would take the punishment just to be with Sofie..

20 Oct 2009 03:12p.m.

Chuck Bird wrote:

This is just another example of National exploiting a shocking crime or two to gain votes. The judge did not have to allow this defence in this case. She was probably scared of losing on appeal if she disallowed it. The law should be changed to allow the judge more grounds to disallow such a defence where there is obviously no merit. There will be cases of homeowners defending their property or even family too vigorously that results in death. The proper verdict should be manslaughter. If this is not available the jury will acquit.

20 Oct 2009 12:44p.m.

Jan.. wrote:

I am sorry for you Clayton, where was all the councelling and sosial workers, you should have seek there help over your jealousy, an university entrance was once so brave in aducation, didn't you learn anything about love and care, just look at where you landed yourself in..
Today's teaching is beyond me..
It is a waste of money in councelling and social worker's..
The court often send mild crime idiots to councelling, my past experienced was a lots of idiots think was funny, they laugh at your face and they jut carry on abusing..
You killed someone and you must pay for your crime..
Other from what mentioned, just go peacefully, god is waiting for you so he can hand you over to satan..