Fri, 22 Jun 2012 7:05a.m.
Farmers say they are losing thousands of dollars of stock a year at the hands of rustlers, and not enough is being done to stop them.
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5/10/2012 3:03:12 p.m.
Farmer Brown wrote:
your quite right farmers need to take the law in their own hands and they can, on a professional scale by using the law community iwi and other government agency to work for them. giving them a wider network. There is outfit that is in the proccess of just doing that
27/06/2012 6:21:12 p.m.
Farmers pay their tax just like every other NZder and should be enititled to the services that the police provide. Farmers have a right to protect their livelihood and their person from poachers out to get a quick buck. Watch the space...farmers will take the law into their own hands 'again' in order to protect themselves because the police are too busy elsewhere
25/06/2012 9:16:20 a.m.
It is just about statistics and revenue gathering. These rural crimes take a lot of man power and hours with no chance of any revenue so the Police just use the statistical approach and cut off anything outside their parameters that give them no pay back. But Farmers please wake up and smell the coffee it is how you report it, you just have to play the game right. If you say you have seen armed maori practising military exercises or you think an off duty pilice officer is in trouble just stand by and see the response and the speed of the response. Come on just learn how to play the game, Oh and never change your story just say thats what you thought you saw or they will charge you with wasting police time. Pretty easy really once you see through the delusion that the Police or their for your safety and care about you and its all about justice and fare play - open your eyes. Police or their to keep the masses in check so politicians can tell everyone what to do and how to do it.
22/06/2012 11:37:20 p.m.
They say we are living in an 'old west' philosophy, so live up to it! They hung rustlers, or shot them. Come on farmers give it a go. Cut down on the surplus criminal society.
22/06/2012 4:16:33 p.m.
100% SUEI had an armed intruder on my farm (shot fired) and I had located their vehicle parked on the side of the road, and I phoned the police with rego details. I was informed the owner of the vehicle didn't have a firearms licence and maybe I should contact the Arms Officer on Monday morning - it was a Saturday night. I waited several hours by the vehicle after being told the police would try and send a car out. They never came. No follow up, no nothing. I finally gave up at midnight and the crims drove out at 1.00am as they had seen me waiting by their vehicle. Them's the facts.If you really want to know how things really are as opposed to the PR spin ; it is like this: there is a culture in this country that farmers are living off the fat of the land and can afford the odd loss to the poor and hungry starving workers. It permeates every level of society including the police. The police are also constricted by limited resources and rural crime is difficult to collect brownie points on as it is so hard to catch the crims. Even when the crims are caught they get community service or home detention unless they have many convictions. Well, spare me that those dumb hayseed farmers aren't reporting their stock losses. Another variation of the old "blame the victim" spin. The claim that farmers aren't reporting the rustlers' crimes is absurd. No doubt many eventually don't bother to report thefts as they know it is a waste of time.
22/06/2012 3:22:29 p.m.
Sue, you are going about it the wrong way when reporting this. You need to say they are SPEEDING ie they're over the 4km/h tolerance and then you'll have the Police out in force.... Just like in town with burglaries that don't get any investigation; it's all about revenue gathering. I'm not knocking the cop on the beat, but their superiors who set their duties and priorities.
22/06/2012 2:38:54 p.m.
Flawed logic Paul. Like your meat do you? Think meat comes from a supermarket do you? bet you whinge at the cost. Not sure where you went to find this figure of $500 tax per annum but it isn't off my tax return. But even if that were true, then that means that everyone in this country is ranked on their financial status and categorised accordingly by the police before they respond to our calls. I have to drive home on our long dark road each night knowing that I am likely to (and indeed actually have) bump into people carrying guns who shouldn't be there - with no cellphone coverage and 20 minutes drive in either direction to the nearest house. Try it Paul - you'll quake in your townie boots.
22/06/2012 10:49:44 a.m.
The police say they want to hear about suspicious behaviour (Inspector Paul Carpenter) and that they respond as soon as they can, in a timely manner while prioritising other demands (Senior Sergeant Carolyn Watson). But when we ring the police and say there are rustlers caught in the act RIGHT NOW - and we provide them with vehicle description & number plates, and exactly which road they are on - WITH their rifles, their knives, and OUR butchered stock IN the vehicle RIGHT NOW, the police do PRECISELY NOTHING and these rustlers laugh all the way home. It's disgusting - if they were in the city invading other peoples property with all those weapons, out would come the Armed Offenders Squad.
So what message does that give rural New Zealanders? We are apparently designated as second rate citizens.
22/06/2012 10:10:19 a.m.
When farmers start paying more than an average of $500 tax each the country might be able to afford to police it.
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