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SAS combat leaves Key in breach of pledge - academic

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Sun, 24 Jan 2010 8:40p.m.

Mr Key last year said the SAS would not fight alongside the Afghans they would be training (file pic)

Mr Key last year said the SAS would not fight alongside the Afghans they would be training (file pic)

A politics academic says Prime Minister John Key broke his promise to the New Zealand public that the Special Air Service (SAS) personnel in Afghanistan would not be fighting alongside the soldiers it was training.

Green Party MP Keith Locke says the Government's credibility is now on the line.

SAS unit member and Victoria Cross hero Willie Apiata was photographed in the Afghanistan capital of Kabul last week, moments after he came out of a building where three bodies were found.

Photographs of Corporal Apiata and another SAS soldier taken by French freelance photographer Philip Poupin were published by several New Zealand media outlets.

Poupin said the men were there to fight and he personally saw three dead bodies in the building they came out of.

Prime Minister John Key previously said the SAS had a "very limited" role in the battle and fired no shots.

Defence Minister Wayne Mapp also said that the SAS members were not as close to the fighting as Poupin suggested.

However the Sunday Star Times today reported that news reports showed the SAS and Afghan commandos were involved in combat with the Taliban fighters.

Otago University international relations specialist and a former Afghanistan cabinet minister Najib Lafraie said "the only plausible explanation" was that "John Key went against the pledge he has made to the New Zealand public".

Mr Key last year said the SAS would not fight alongside the Afghans they would be training because it was "particularly dangerous". The SAS are now training an elite group of Afghan commandos known as the Crisis Response Unit (CRU), also known as Task Force 24.

Mr Locke, in a statement this afternoon, said the Government had a credibility problem over the SAS deployment.

"Corporal Willie Apiata and his colleague, in the picture published last week, did appear to be on a joint mission with Afghan commandos responding to a Taliban attack in Kabul's Pashtunistan Square. Foreign journalists have confirmed the SAS were involved in some way.

"I will be asking questions of government about this when Parliament resumes in February. We have been given far too little information about what the SAS is doing in our name in Afghanistan, and not all the information we are given appears to be accurate.

"Whatever the rights and wrongs of Corporal Apiata's photo being published in the New Zealand media, our Defence Force can't escape some responsibility for putting Corporal Apiata at risk. They sent him back to Afghanistan, knowing his picture was everywhere. Even now the NZDF website carries a photo of a bearded Willie Apiata, apparently in the field."

Mr Key did not comment to the newspaper and NZPA's request for comment was not responded to. Dr Mapp told the newspaper the CRU played only a back-up role in the fighting.

"The actions that took place were essentially the domain of the Afghan national army, which, you can see from the photos, were the people actually engaged in the fighting."

The CRU was not directly involved in the action, he said, and neither were the SAS.

Norwegian defence correspondent and author of a book on the Norwegian special forces Tom Bakkeli disagreed. He said the CRU "absolutely were involved in the fighting" and "the CRU got a lot of acclaim for their counter-action against the attacking Taliban and suicide bombers".

The SAS took over the training of the counterterrorism CRU from the Norwegian special forces after they left Afghanistan in September.

Dr Lafraie believed New Zealand's stance had changed under pressure from the US.

Dr Mapp told the newspaper it was taking Mr Key's statement out of context. There was no contradiction between the news reports of the battle and the Government's position.

"A lot of people were involved, it took place over many hours and there was confusion." Dr Mapp said he did not want a detailed discussion of what happened.

NZPA

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27 Jan 2010 06:33p.m.

Kim wrote:

LOL nice misquote Jim. i believe i said "fight a staged retreat" and "fight when your life is in danger untill you can withdraw" but i dont remember typing that they should run away??? typical emotive misquoting to discredit others opinions.
You should hook up with alien , you two would get on well.

27 Jan 2010 04:26p.m.

Jim wrote:

Kim
I can't believe that you are serious when you say they should have withdrawn or run. Have you ever been in a gun battle? The last thing you do is run like a rabbit as you would be torn to shreds as the bullets pierced every part of your body. Fight first then make an organised retreat if necessary.
it appears that Apiata was in the wrong for not wearing his protective (concealment) gear according to the Colonel on the news...hmmm!!!

27 Jan 2010 10:42a.m.

Jim wrote:

So tell me kiwi. You wouldn’t have minded if Communist North Vietnam (backed by Mao Tse-tung’s Communist China) became ours and Australia’s new masters. Remember also, we owe the US for their timely intervention in WW2 or else we would have definitely have been overrun by Japan. I like the way that all the snubbers of the US do not think that China vs Tibetan Monks / Russia vs Chechne etc are not acts of terrorism. Maybe some of the rejecters of the US are just plain envious that there is a country more powerful and has people that are passionate about their country, because allot of the participants here don’t appear to be passionate about anything leave alone their country, soldiers and allies!!!

26 Jan 2010 09:09p.m.

kiwi wrote:

Bill, what the hell were we in Vietnam for? Those people did us no harm. We helped to kill 3 million vietnamese men, women and kids. 38 kiwis died...for what? Vietnam won. And I am so pleased.

26 Jan 2010 08:51p.m.

kiwi wrote:

Get these idiots out of Afghanistan. They are not wanted. They are only there to please America, the biggest terrorists of all. Long live the Afghan resistance, long live the Iraqi resistance. And long live the Vietnamese who kicked the US and it's hangers-on out of their country.

26 Jan 2010 06:21p.m.

Brent wrote:

So the Kiwi boys were not involved and no shots fired. That reporter was French wasn't he,

26 Jan 2010 05:58p.m.

Kim wrote:

Quite right. war is war. But orders are orders. If you are ordered to run full tilt toward the enemy with no bullets in your gun thats what you do. if you are told to not engage the enemy because you are there to train not fight thats what you do.
If you are ordered to only fight when your life is in danger untill you can withdraw thats what you do. Obviously if these soldiers were ordered to help keep security not train that would be ok but thats not what key sold this deployment to the public with.

26 Jan 2010 03:48p.m.

Begereba wrote:

It's War, of course their going to fire shots, If some crazy Iraqi or Afgan is shooting at you, and you have a gun, of course your going to shoot back, it's either that or die. You people are so stupid. WAR IS WAR, war doesn't mean no one fires any shots, war means everyone fires as many shots as they can. War doesn't mean let's be friends, war means I'm going to shoot you before you shoot me. WAR is nasty, cruel and anything but kind. Don't forget WAR IS WAR, no if's no but's, it's kill or be killed.

26 Jan 2010 07:59a.m.

Kim wrote:

Glenn
The head of the armed forces in this country is the prime minister.
The army goes to war with defined rules of engagememt and those rules are set down by the govt.
John Key opened himself up to this criticism by opening his mouth about what the SAS we going there to do. At least Helen Clark had the political skill to know that if you say something and it is proved to be a lie you will get it in the neck from the media. Better to say nothing.
People are trying to spin the negitive comments on here as an attack on the SAS, Its not, its criticism of john key and his handling of this whole issue.

Glenn
When the army gets to set the rules you end up with Fiji..Fool

26 Jan 2010 06:59a.m.

Glenn wrote:

I'm dumbfounded as to how John Key has misled us and how it's his decision on what our troops do in another country. For those of you who obviously don't have a clue, and you're a definite candidate for that Deane, John key doesn't tell our troops what to do, the heads of the armed forces do that. Also there is no proof that our troops are shooting at anyone nor did they have anything to do with the dead bodies in the building they were in. Of course they will be seen near bodies, Iraq is quite often littered with them. It appears to me it's the PC Liberals of this country who are actually creating the negative story in this country, just like they have exposed Willie by harping on about his picture being taken, and dragging it through the news for days.