A boat of Sri Lankan asylum seekers is currently moored on the island of Bintan, 7000km away from New Zealand.
We asked a freelance cameraman in Bintan to talk to them.
It wasn’t easy – the boat they are on is constantly circled by marine police – but he did manage to speak to one man for a few precious seconds.
That man told us where they are heading, and why.
Watch the video for the exclusive interview