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TVNZ election debate - the review

John Key and Phil Goff went head to head in the TVNZ debate this evening John Key and Phil Goff went head to head in the TVNZ debate this evening
Mon, 31 Oct 2011 8:59p.m.

By Jeremy Elwood

If you’re reading this on Melbourne Cup Day, that would be appropriate. Our election campaign is shaping up to be more akin to that famous race than the usual war of attrition; it’s all come around suddenly, will be over before you know it, and many of us are only getting our first look at who’s in the running as they approach the starting gates.

By now all of the main contenders have launched their campaigns, both at live events in front of their respective party faithful and on our television screens, with the party political broadcasts over the weekend.

Those ads varied less in terms of content but style and delivery. Labour showed that, at least if production values are anything to go by, that they still have the support of film crews and editors. They asked us to remember the reasons why we might have voted for them in the past – family, community, working conditions - and they did it well. Aside from being slick, and occasionally even moving, it also made a good fist of reminding us that they have talented young blood alongside the remnants of the Helen Clark era.

National, on the other hand, focused almost exclusively on John Key. And why not? His ratings are through the roof, and even people who don’t follow politics at all seem to see him as a “good bloke”. In fact, a big part of his appeal is that he often seems above politics, but as their TV spot showed, he isn’t above a bit of stagecraft. Shame it was so badly done. National expected us to believe that he was answering genuine questions from a genuine crowd, despite the fact that the editing and acting was so bad, even Shortland Street fans would have had suspicions. 

As for the others, The Greens and Maori Party were as you might expect, aiming firmly at their base audiences. Peter Dunne and Winston Peters both showed why they’ve managed to stick around for as long as they have, particularly Peters, who almost had me wanting to vote for his “Fair Go” agenda. Almost.

Which brings us to Monday, and the first Leader’s Debate on TV One. Great scheduling, by the way - Halloween, when a large proportion of the voters most parties are going after are either being dragged door to door by their kids or having their TV viewing interrupted by those who are. Overall, in my opinion, it was an event with a few interesting moments, but little lasting impact. Phil Goff had John Key on the ropes over his (broken) promise to not raise GST at the last election, and had him looking awkward over Afghanistan, whereas Key generally looked more polished, in the main using his usual trick of avoiding commitment to any specific policies.

The big loser, I felt, was the audience. It seemed that every time an actual debate threatened to break out, TVNZ cut in. The interruption of a serious discussion on child poverty with a flippant “video viewer” question about changing our flag was the most grievous example, but was by no means alone. I know the rebuild of Christchurch and the recovery of the bodies of the Pike River miners are close to our hearts (and therefore good for ratings) but is there much point in asking questions which neither side is willing to politicize, during a political debate?

Or are you just filling screen time?

The same can be said for the political pundits who were in studio with Mark Sainsbury, ostensibly to wrap up or comment. At times, you had to wonder if they were watching the same show as the rest of us; Claire Robinson in particular sounded like she’d written her own script weeks ago, in anticipation of a Phil Goff meltdown. Which didn’t happen. Her assertions that Goff should have been less aggressive, and stick to policy, were a bit like someone getting angry at a heavyweight boxing contender when he punches the other guy.

Overall, I think Goff won this debate, if only because the expectations around him were so low. At times, he looked close to the well versed policy veteran that he is. Equally, John Key’s mask repeatedly slipped to reveal the populist rookie that, relatively, he is. Was it enough to change anything? I doubt it.

I look forward to the multi-party debates, as the alternative online debate on Monday organized by the Greens looked like much more fun that the official one.

Comments [36]

kalolo
21 Nov 2011 07:24p.m.

phil is talking truth and is right about the lower class when john key become prime minister he does not care about the poorer class he owning care about the richer class i hope phil wins by a land slide

trish
05 Nov 2011 10:32a.m.

The tvnz debate was a waste of time,with interjections by gyon and stupid questions sent in by people,who gives a toss about the flag now for goodness sake,the ch ch debate where goff is deemed the looser,the facts are that the nats minders knew the costings had not been finished and signed off,so in key's notes he refers to, there was the order to say "show us the money",this was a pre-planned attack and took goff by surprise,key was smug because his minders and officials had got it right,and so the media blasted goff as well,dirty politics,perhaps goff needs some mongrel too,the nats and their media mates will rubbish goff to the end and hope that they will brainwash the public of nz,the media is a powerful tool for the nat govt and they use it to the hilt,if anyone notices goff has not prepared notes,key always has prepared notes to refer to.

Min
02 Nov 2011 11:58p.m.

I think Goff is more honest and realistic ,he lives in the real world ,and has better ideas for NZ. key lies ,he should pursue his acting career some were else.

Hamish
02 Nov 2011 10:17p.m.

@Mitch, where the hell have you been? National are borrowing heavily and raising taxes! And Australia sells its minerals not its resources as a whole, that would just be stupid! National want to sell our infrastructure, and that is going to make us wealthy? Its a worry that the fate of the country rests in the hands of ill informed, blind or just brainwashed voters like you! WAKE UP!

Mitch
02 Nov 2011 07:54p.m.

if Labour gets in this election, we are screwed financially. Everything national has been doing makes complete sense, we need to stop borrowing money and start selling our resources! That is the main reason why there is such a large wage gap between Australia and New Zealand, because they sell their resources! National has just spent the past term cleaning up, now let them do the rest and get our country in a good financial state, only then will there be more jobs! Or you could just vote Labour and get tax increases, so that we can get more people on the benefit.

rachael
02 Nov 2011 03:25p.m.

the poll on stuff has phil goff well out in front. 2-1 in fav of goff. this has put the media in denial.
there is a contest and many are leaving national after realising key gave himself $1000 a week rise at the same time he was putting public servants on welfare with job cuts. he lied over the standard and poor downgrade which is
a lie to nz .

Hamish
02 Nov 2011 03:03p.m.

Of course Goff won, just a shame he didnt have time to attack Key on more of his lies! Key had the gall to bring up early child education, after National slashed early educators budgets! The rugby is over and people are focusing, we can see through keys spin!!

Ann Smith
02 Nov 2011 02:26p.m.

I was a staunch National supporter in last elections. However have learnt my lesson and this recent debate tells one thing for sure. Mr. Key not worth trusting. In his leadership "Rich will become Richer & Poor will become more Poorer".

THEPAST
02 Nov 2011 09:02a.m.

John has the key to unlock a brighter future, unless to use his own terminology " you are not prepared to accept that proposition." The NZ media has given him an easy ride, and the public seem prepared to accept his vacuous smile and slick answers without asking the question of the billboard poster "a brighter future for whom?" Visit youtube and see Mr. Key's interview on Hardtalk with BBC Stephen Sackur which illustrates broadcast journalism at its best, with John struggling to find answers for a journalist very well informed and without apparent political bias. I thought TVNZ3's Rachael's comment his morning that MMP was"not fair" was something of a bad joke bearing in mind media bias and failure to give other political parties equal TV exposure. One might look at the Singaporean political model and wonder whether it might better serve this country of four million than the constant adversial jousting that goes on at the Bee Hive. John Key may be a lovely man, but for me, his political ideology does not mirror his personal attractiveness.

Bob
01 Nov 2011 09:31p.m.

Keith, yes he will bring them home - 90 days after he takes office, so that take us up to a couple of weeks before National does? yep real bold move there... Nationals comments montinous? Labour is the same with asset sales. The beuty of debating is the off the cuff responses to questions, this whole debate reeked of pre-rehearsed one liners from both sides of the fence

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