Thousands march for 'democracy'

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Sat, 21 Nov 2009 5:35p.m.

Despite an extensive advertising campaign, only 4000 showed up to the march - many of them pranksters out for a laugh

Despite an extensive advertising campaign, only 4000 showed up to the march - many of them pranksters out for a laugh

Around 4000 people have taken to the streets of central Auckland, calling on the Government to make referendums binding.

One man was arrested, and police shut down most of Queen St as protesters demanded that politicians be more responsive to public opinion.

They had many different bones to pick with the Government, but all with the same message: democracy.

It is the Government's repeated inaction on citizen-initiated referendums that was the catalyst for the protest.

"I'm marching cause if the Government had listened to the referendum in 1999 about violent crime, we would probably have 1000 more New Zealanders with us than we have now," said one protester 3 News spoke to.

"We've had three referendums of plus 80 percent, and they've ignored them all," said another.

In 1999 82 percent of New Zealanders voted to cut the number of MPs in one referendum, and 92 percent supported a more victim-centred justice system in another.

Both referendums were ignored.

"You've just got to wonder what it's going to take until the politicians wake up," says Garth McVicar of lobby group the Sensible Sentencing Trust.

"The public is telling them what we want, every poll is telling them what we want. We don't want violent criminals on the street - and yet they seem incapable of listening."

Today's protest was sparked by the Government's failure to act on the so-called anti-smacking referendum, and many wore placards aimed at Prime Minister John Key.

"We'd ask him to be loyal to the huge proportion of New Zealand families who are saying, 'Let's get this law right and go after the real causes of child abuse,'" says Bob McCoskrie of pro-smacking lobby group Family First.

But children's commissioner John Angus has taken a stand against the march. He says people who are genuinely interested in children's welfare would have been better off staying home and spending time with their children.

"I think it's time to move on," says Mr Angus. "I think lots of New Zealanders want to move on too. I think we should be focussing on how to bring our children up well in New Zealand, rather than on how, when, where and with what we hit them."

Organisers say it is time politicians stopped talking at New Zealanders and started listening to them

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14 Dec 2009 07:49p.m.

charlotte cassidy wrote:

This is awesome to see. Strength in Numbers people!

25 Nov 2009 03:05p.m.

SuperUser wrote:

testing this

23 Nov 2009 03:48p.m.

Jim wrote:

Obiwan
My apologies if I appeared to mean that you would endorse something like that or I would recomend it (I guess I was a little over the top).
Quote - "I merely commented on historial results of ignoring the people"
I guesss that was what I was trying to re-inforce.
Cheers
Jim!!!

23 Nov 2009 03:24p.m.

Craig Young wrote:

Yes, I agree, Little Zealand is revolting. Deeply revolting to mainstream liberal New Zealanders, that is. If you want to go to a two-bit authoritarian backwater, then could I suggest the Southern United States, Queensland or somewhere else of that nature?

23 Nov 2009 03:03p.m.

Obiwan wrote:

Jim, do not think for one moment that I advocate a revolution - that is simply word twisting. I merely commented on historial results of ignoring the people. There are better ways - and maintaining a democracy is at the heart of that. I would say that 88% is pretty conclusive don't you? And not as if it was a low turn out - 1.6 million votes.

23 Nov 2009 12:50p.m.

Jim wrote:

One of our earlier comments on this subject suggested a "revolution" as what had to happen in Europe to the various Monarchies who forgot to listen.
Even though a revolution is a bit over the top (AT THIS STAGE) people have the right to protest their feelings (a good recent case being the motor-cyclists). One day someone in Parliament has got to listen, but I fear pigs will fly first!!!

23 Nov 2009 12:39p.m.

Warren Matthews wrote:

Quote: "Jim 22 Nov 2009 10:13p.m. Stop hitting your kids..."
This is typical of a number of responses. Both for and against smacking. This was NOT a Section 51 Protest. This was a protest against what the NZ Government has passed off for as Democracy over the last (insert large number 20?) years. Democracy is Government by popular representation; a form of government in which the supreme power is RETAINED by the people, but is INDIRECTLY exercised through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed, a constitutional representative government, a republic. English translation = Majority Rules. No matter how dumb the law, majority rules. The Section 51 referendum, like others are meerly an indicator (statistically speaking Section 51 should not have been passed) that Democracy is already dead. I have read comments that we need to trust the government and its 'experts'. This is NOT (from my understanding) democracy, the experts may advice the people, but those representatives do what the people (majority) say not the experts. What we currently have is a system proposed by plato or the such (I actually have no idea) where an 'educated' minority rule.
Anti-smackers and Pro-smackers your forums are that way --->

23 Nov 2009 12:21p.m.

urban druid wrote:

We are going stir-crazy over all the wrongs of our neighbour on the political front presently. We seem to hate them. They are in gangs, they take risks, and many use drugs. They go to prison, get parole, and wind up inside again. They beat their kids, drink too much, cause all the domestic violence. Theft is a problem, and now the kids are beginning to misbehave...
We sit in a mental and physical island prison here in NZ. What is the level of global consciousness of your average kiwi citizen? All we have left that appears of importance and appropriate to discuss and debate is pretty small fry, really the fag-ends and 2 minute noodles of life...
A great deal of weight is put on the "common sense" arguements of the masses and minorities alike, those pithy ideas and ideals where it is only correct and natural that: policy2 + policy4 = p6 as opposed to policy5 or 9.
What many protesters would do well to learn from their experience on the street is that they do not like being told what to do, and that when threatened with force, that they should just collapse and comply with what they see as being rather unreasonable demands.
This might help them see themselves a little better from standing in the shoes of other groups of people who face force in our community where there is little or no justification. (People who would benefit from medicines made or derived from cannabis products are one example.)
I don't believe that "common sense" in a blinkered and sometimes bigoted, largely conservative small society will solve our human problems, for it is probably true that common sense is indeed not all that common.

23 Nov 2009 11:30a.m.

Jim wrote:

Jim
"but the pro-violence to kids march."
Ther was nothing in the Crimes Act S59 which said anything like this. It was just a case of Sue re-inventing the wheel!!!

23 Nov 2009 11:01a.m.

glow-worm wrote:

Firstly I would like to congratulate TV3 on a being capable of reporting on the March with such "Honesty" unlike networks. Those that opposed the March for Democracy are living in a "Dream-Land". The Government are elected representatives, and after 3 referendums it is obvious that they are incapable of doing their job, even after adding an extra 21 of them, even after promising to "listen to the people" 'John Key'! So write your "small minded" comments and then go back to watching Coro street. One day you will wake up and realise (or perhaps you won't) that life is not a soap opera and that slowly all our rights are being taken away - privacy, integrity, the power to think for yourselves and the right to be heard. We need to stand together like we never have before. Before it is to late.