This is awesome to see. Strength in Numbers people!
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ObiwanMy apologies if I appeared to mean that you would endorse something like that or I would recomend it (I guess I was a little over the top).Quote - "I merely commented on historial results of ignoring the people"I guesss that was what I was trying to re-inforce.CheersJim!!!
Yes, I agree, Little Zealand is revolting. Deeply revolting to mainstream liberal New Zealanders, that is. If you want to go to a two-bit authoritarian backwater, then could I suggest the Southern United States, Queensland or somewhere else of that nature?
Jim, do not think for one moment that I advocate a revolution - that is simply word twisting. I merely commented on historial results of ignoring the people. There are better ways - and maintaining a democracy is at the heart of that. I would say that 88% is pretty conclusive don't you? And not as if it was a low turn out - 1.6 million votes.
One of our earlier comments on this subject suggested a "revolution" as what had to happen in Europe to the various Monarchies who forgot to listen.Even though a revolution is a bit over the top (AT THIS STAGE) people have the right to protest their feelings (a good recent case being the motor-cyclists). One day someone in Parliament has got to listen, but I fear pigs will fly first!!!
Quote: "Jim 22 Nov 2009 10:13p.m. Stop hitting your kids..."This is typical of a number of responses. Both for and against smacking. This was NOT a Section 51 Protest. This was a protest against what the NZ Government has passed off for as Democracy over the last (insert large number 20?) years. Democracy is Government by popular representation; a form of government in which the supreme power is RETAINED by the people, but is INDIRECTLY exercised through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed, a constitutional representative government, a republic. English translation = Majority Rules. No matter how dumb the law, majority rules. The Section 51 referendum, like others are meerly an indicator (statistically speaking Section 51 should not have been passed) that Democracy is already dead. I have read comments that we need to trust the government and its 'experts'. This is NOT (from my understanding) democracy, the experts may advice the people, but those representatives do what the people (majority) say not the experts. What we currently have is a system proposed by plato or the such (I actually have no idea) where an 'educated' minority rule.Anti-smackers and Pro-smackers your forums are that way --->
We are going stir-crazy over all the wrongs of our neighbour on the political front presently. We seem to hate them. They are in gangs, they take risks, and many use drugs. They go to prison, get parole, and wind up inside again. They beat their kids, drink too much, cause all the domestic violence. Theft is a problem, and now the kids are beginning to misbehave... We sit in a mental and physical island prison here in NZ. What is the level of global consciousness of your average kiwi citizen? All we have left that appears of importance and appropriate to discuss and debate is pretty small fry, really the fag-ends and 2 minute noodles of life...A great deal of weight is put on the "common sense" arguements of the masses and minorities alike, those pithy ideas and ideals where it is only correct and natural that: policy2 + policy4 = p6 as opposed to policy5 or 9.What many protesters would do well to learn from their experience on the street is that they do not like being told what to do, and that when threatened with force, that they should just collapse and comply with what they see as being rather unreasonable demands.This might help them see themselves a little better from standing in the shoes of other groups of people who face force in our community where there is little or no justification. (People who would benefit from medicines made or derived from cannabis products are one example.)I don't believe that "common sense" in a blinkered and sometimes bigoted, largely conservative small society will solve our human problems, for it is probably true that common sense is indeed not all that common.
Jim"but the pro-violence to kids march."Ther was nothing in the Crimes Act S59 which said anything like this. It was just a case of Sue re-inventing the wheel!!!
Firstly I would like to congratulate TV3 on a being capable of reporting on the March with such "Honesty" unlike networks. Those that opposed the March for Democracy are living in a "Dream-Land". The Government are elected representatives, and after 3 referendums it is obvious that they are incapable of doing their job, even after adding an extra 21 of them, even after promising to "listen to the people" 'John Key'! So write your "small minded" comments and then go back to watching Coro street. One day you will wake up and realise (or perhaps you won't) that life is not a soap opera and that slowly all our rights are being taken away - privacy, integrity, the power to think for yourselves and the right to be heard. We need to stand together like we never have before. Before it is to late.
