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Thousands of Kiwis fear the LHC, despite scientists' assurances

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Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:00a.m.

More than 10 percent of New Zealanders are concerned about the atom-smashing Hadron Collider in Switzerland creating a disastrous mini black-hole, according to a poll.

Created by the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, the huge machine began operating less than two weeks ago and got scientists excited after flinging protons around at nearly the speed of light.

It had to be shut down only 36 hours later due to a failed electrical transformer and has since been shut down for repairs again - this time for an estimated two months.

UMR Research asked New Zealanders in a nationwide poll how closely they had followed news stories about the Big Bang experiment the Collider was built to simulate.

Fifty three percent said they had followed the story moderately to very closely and 27 percent of those said they were moderately to very concerned it would create a mini black-hole leading to the end of the world.

The rest said they were not concerned about that happening.

UMR director Tim Grafton said the poll indicated thousands of New Zealanders were worried about the experiment, but if they ended up being right no one would know anyway.

The poll showed that stories such as the recent shooting of two police officers in Mangere and the Winston Peters and Owen Glenn privileges committee testimonies were more closely followed.

Overseas, critics of the Big Bang experiment have said it could create tiny black holes of intense gravity that could suck in the whole planet.

Leading scientists have labelled those concerns "nonsense".

The New Zealand poll involved 750 people aged 18 and over, and had a margin of error of 3.6 percent.

NZPA

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12 Dec 2008 02:38a.m.

Keith, Roxburgh, OTAGO, NZ wrote:

Ah look - I'm realy sorry guys...
BUT it's realy true...
And there's irrefutable evidence in the BIG_BOOK written over 2,000 yrs ago.
It stated - look to the heavens in the end times... as great sights of fire & brimstone will be seen - hurtling towards earth...
(no doubt drawn here at great gravitational pull by those mini-black-holes)
Even god had this PLANNED from the very beginnings of time.

Thus - he alerted us to "LOOK UPWARDS" to see these wonderful end-time sights - as this is the LAST thing we shall see...

There's NO_WAY your brain could comprehend the appearance of a "BLACKHOLE" at your feet - as the human reaction time - to such a sight - would be way too slow to the point that your entire brain - would have ceased to exist - upwards of at least 1/2 to 3/4 of a second - before your brain has ANY CHANCE of reacting to the sight of "nothingness" at your feet.

Thus - who actually GIVES A DAM...
As - by the time one "sees" the end - even those distant planets on the other side of the solar system... will have ceased to exist...
& will be (excuse the pun) weighing heavily upon your mind.

25 Sep 2008 09:54p.m.

Peter, Upper Hutt wrote:

Glenn has a point though, the scientists running this thing have repeatedly said they dont know what to expect. Unfortunately the scientific community is at times plagued by the same arrogance displayed by religious zealots. The idea that we even are even beginning to understand the universe is rediculous. Every time we think we discover a universal law someone else comes along and breaks it. Either that or the scientific community chooses to ignore evidence that contradicts its accepted theories. An excellent example is the T-Rex bone pulled out the ground a few months back. The scientist cuts open the millions of years old bone and pulls out 'fresh' DNA (which supposably can't survive more 5000 years). Oooops! Her conclusion? It's not important.

Unlikely as it may be, there is always the possibility something may happen that we don't expect. Should we then not explore the universe? Of course not, life by it's very nature carries risk. Be it by a mini black hole climate change or another bogeyman hiding behind tomorrow.

25 Sep 2008 05:38p.m.

David, Auckland wrote:

Because Glenn, countless similar experiments have been attempted with positive outcomes as a result of this 'uncertainty.' The LHC case is not the first of its kind. As far back as 1999 another physics experiment of a similar nature was completed successfully despite the attempts of critics to have it shutdown based upon similar claims. A good reason to put faith in modern science is electronics. We can't see atoms or their subatomic components, and therefore visually observe their behavior, yet through logic, mathematics and eventually practical application we can ascertain that the theory was correct. The very computer you are using couldn't exist without theoretical knowledge of subatomic physics. My advice to you Glenn is quite simply to do the reading (and the math) before you make such ignorant statements!

24 Sep 2008 12:56p.m.

Terence wrote:

It is an indictment of our education system that so many people in our society, have so little scientific knowledge,that they are afraid of an experiment that is designed to reproduce in a controlled environment something that happens naturally millions of times a day in nature. This especially as we live in a technological age where very few have any idea of how any of the technology they use daily works.

24 Sep 2008 10:22a.m.

Glenn wrote:

"There is nothing to fear from a couple of protons smacking into one another, what they are attempting to recreate is a naturally occurring phenomenon."

And how do you know for sure their is nothing to fear?, these scientists are playing around with something that they are not 100% sure of what exactly will happen and is based on assumptions, and if you are not 100% sure then there is uncertainty.

23 Sep 2008 11:53p.m.

David, Auckland wrote:

Whoever is spreading those rumors of gloom and doom for the world to come is obviously doing a pretty good job of it. There is nothing to fear from a couple of protons smacking into one another, what they are attempting to recreate is a naturally occurring phenomenon.

23 Sep 2008 09:42p.m.

Alien wrote:

secondly, how can you poll 750 people and claim thousands of people fear it?

23 Sep 2008 09:41p.m.

Alien wrote:

amazing that you can question 750 people and call it a nationwide poll.

Hopefully in reality more kiwi's are educated enough to know how silly this whole scare mongering is.