Tuhoe deal - first step to self-rule?

Let the maori self rule. separate the country, who cares, its a bloody mess now with all these damn treaty claims anyway.

As long as maori dont interfere with KIWIs-NZers and spong off our system anymore who cares!, let them go back to grass huts.

NO MORE TREATY CLAIMS, has to STOP, no more welfare for maoris

maori's ain't running around in grass skirts and chopping each others head off any more if that was the case some of use wouldn't be sitting in front of your computer writting comments on here. To those who have stupid comments about maori's we the tangatawhenua have been taking for granted we have lore's which are seperate from the pakeha law the tangatawhenua have skill's in all area's from ag to hort even wood work, metal work and firearm's making when not ho ho maori like some think we are. we are part of the land which we can provide for our own from the land. so how the idea that it's a failing idea for mana motuhake is a good idea next time you purchase land just think who did the goverment stand over for thier land and who's buried rhere if you's wish to talk to me more about this subject look for me on facebook Jay_habit the name and conversatings the game . mauri ora

Give the tribes their Land back, you were only on a short term lease,how could you possilbly say this country is yours where the world witnesses in all history knows its all Maori and its indigenous people..You are a thief matey, get real or ship out, we have been watching you and your evil acts from day1..get real..

Total Control? Self-Rule? Separate Nation? These have got to be the ramblings of delirious delinquents! Com'on Tuhoe! Surely you're demanding the confiscated lands back? Surely you're requiring restitution for the losses endued under the "scorched earth campaign"? Surely you want the wrongs of Te Houhi righted? Surely the deaths of your people must be avenged? Surely the assimilated plundering of Tuhoe's assets by the Crown and it's governmental policies needs redress? .. and these are but a few of the issues that need to be addressed .. What about economic viability? financial sustainability? investment profiling? business mentoring? the assistance of expert managerial advice & consultancy? etc etc .. surely you need these and more, BEFORE Tuhoe seeks a return to the reservation, as they seem hellbent on achieving under the current settlement AIP DOS process .. a reservation on which they can descend into the anarchy, chaos and "mana motuhake" that ruled Tuhoe before the Colonialists arrived .. the good old "club-each-other-over-the-head-with-a-patu-every-morning" days Think about it .. your own nation! within a nation, sounds great, free to be your own bosses, do what you want to do .. yes your own Indian, Aboriginal, Indigenous Reservation .. your very own penal colony where all the undesirables are sent too .. with no infrastructure, no technology, no economy, no employment, no technical expertise, no laws, no police, no import/export industry, no industries at all, no food .. and you could pay yourselves with worthless Tuhoe Money, that you magic up from thin air. Do you think any Tuhoe in their right-mind would in all seriousness wants to live there? Hell No! Not me! I'm going to exercise my own "mana motuhake"! I choose to live outside the reservation!

Not sure what all the fuss is about give them self rule build a big fence and wait for them to come grovelling back!!!

Well done Mr. Key. You have managed to stuff up this country in only one year in government. The proposed mining of the conservation estate, the Tuhoe deal, the repeal of the foreshore and seabed act and the affirmation of the UN's decleration og indigenous rights. Well done mate, you have really established a brilliant foundation for a united New Zealand or Aotearoa (which is i nice name by the way). I think you are a clown Mr. Key and I believe you have opened the biggest can of worms in modern history, I hope I am wrong, because if I am not, then you will have a lot to answer for in the future. Wouldn't you all rather just live in peace and harmony, helping eachother looking after this wonderful place. Best wishes to all. Karl

This makes me so sad. Yet another stake struck in the heart of New Zealand to divide us. We are a small country and will only prosper if we stand together as one. My husband and I are European New Zealanders of both European and Maori descent (just as most Maori are). I understand that Tuhoe didn't even sign the Treaty of Waitangi so how are they able to make a claim under it? We want our children to be proud of our heritage. How is there mana in demanding everything be given back now when our country has changed so much since then? Neither the Maori nor Pakeha of today should be looking backwards, financially and culturally ruining our beautiful country. Why can't we all just get along? We are all so lucky to live here. I just don't understand how every Government thinks that by perpetuating this madness (allowing endless Treaty claims) and trying to change something that happened 170 years ago, that either Maori or Pakeha (and therefore New Zealand as a whole) can benefit in the end. Acknowledge the Waitangi Treaty as an important part of our history. Teach it, learn from the mistakes (yes, our British ancestors made mistakes) and move on to the New Zealand/Aotearoa of now and the future as one people. It's time for a New Zealand we all can be proud of.

Kia ora Tuhoe!!! I wish you well in tour negotiations!

It looks like the capitalist media is finally realising what the Tuhoe bottom line is in their negotiations with crown. Tuhoe entered negotiations with the crown in 2008. The Tribunal hearing took place all around Te Urewera in 2004/5. Self-governance and the return of Te Urewera build the core of Tuhoe's demands. In this year's TkaT annual report, the "Key Redress Areas or ‘bottom lines’ for Tuhoe Settlement have centred on: * The unencumbered return of Te Urewera – Tuhoe homelands * Agreed Constitutional arrangements between Tuhoe and the Crown renewing a Tuhoe Crown relationship * Financial Redress aimed at addressing Tuhoe infrastructure and creating a Tuhoe economy" "Te Urewera is Tuhoe homelands. It is where Te Mana Motuhake o Tuhoe lives and grows. There is no other place on earth that has at its foundations or as its vision and purpose Te Mana Motuhake, our Tuhoetanga. For this reason the Negotiating team has heldfast to the return of unrestrictedby the dictates of the National Park status, legislation and governance arrangements. The Crown has asked searching questions about the Iwi’s capability to manage Te Urewera in the event that it is returned free of the Park status. At this stage our responses have satisfied their needs. The terms of the return would include a 5 – 10 year transition period, public access and a commitment to ongoing biodiversity and conservation principles." So in the foreseeable future, indigenous self-governance will become a reality again in Aotearoa. And not due to a 'nice' government, but because of an iwi that is organised, united and staunch!

At the risk of sounding ignorant, can I ask a legitemate question: If Tuhoe devolve into a independent state, what will they do for money? I realise there is talk of $100m compensation, but that will quickly be swallowed up by the day to day costs of running a state (health, education, infrastructure). How do they propose to sustain themselves economically? Or do they envisiage a more pastoral existence for their people, free of the trappings of a modern, industrialized society?