Hydrogen conversion claims put to the test

30/07/2011 3:56:15 p.m.

HybridWaterCar wrote:

How about everyone just make there cars or trucks green! Get a Hydrogen hybrid Conversion installed in the SF Bay Area for $1600 for most cars and small trucks. These are HOD (hydrogen on demand) nothing is stored. Gas or Diesel on hybrid or not. Plus you get a tax credit for installing hybrid hydrogen upgrades. 35%-60% gains. Talk to @hybridwatercar on twitter or tinyurl.com/waterpowered

8/02/2011 11:31:51 p.m.

sam wrote:

This device can't be good on the alternator. Saving liters of fuel vs replacing alternator.

5/01/2010 12:41:50 p.m.

John wrote:

THis guy Frank is out of his mind. 4L with 8 amps. I call BS on him. Can't be done with that few amps!!

18/02/2009 3:37:59 p.m.

Joe Shea wrote:

There's been a lot of innoivation in this technology since the first HHO Games & Exposition in Palmetto, Fla., last Nov. 11-14, when hundreds of inventors and vendors and demonstrators - and thousands of the interested - of HHO kits from around the world came together at a 40,000-sq.ft. arena and shared information as never before. Zero Fossil Fuels, one of the most well-known inventors in the field, actually had the top blow off his kit, too, on his way to the Nov. Games. But at the Feb. 2009 games at Manatee Technical Institute in Bradenton, Fla., the kits had become much more productive, safer and smaller even as the prices came down. I had a kit on my car that gave me 73% better mileage than before, and now have a kit that improved by 4MPG on that. It's certainly a matter of finding a good kit (see HHO Express) and installing it correctly while managing the computer issues that arise in many fuiel-injected cars. The broadcaster didn't seem to have an EFIE or ECUC or VMU kit for his car's computer, so it's unlikely he'd see a mileage gain and might actually see a mileage loss. As the organizer of the HHO Games, I've seen many dozens of kits and can tell you that some do work very, very well, but some do not work at all. It's a matter of construction and quality and engineering, even on the small scale of the HHO hydrogen injection industry. See hhogames.com for more information and resources. An Aussie names Greg Gunning came all the way to Bradenton just to be at the HHO Games in February 2009, and he bought a Bob Boyce kits for $2,400 to sell back home. I think he'll soon be a very happy, wealthy man.

18/02/2009 3:37:56 p.m.

Joe Shea wrote:

There's been a lot of innoivation in this technology since the first HHO Games & Exposition in Palmetto, Fla., last Nov. 11-14, when hundreds of inventors and vendors and demonstrators - and thousands of the interested - of HHO kits from around the world came together at a 40,000-sq.ft. arena and shared information as never before. Zero Fossil Fuels, one of the most well-known inventors in the field, actually had the top blow off his kit, too, on his way to the Nov. Games. But at the Feb. 2009 games at Manatee Technical Institute in Bradenton, Fla., the kits had become much more productive, safer and smaller even as the prices came down. I had a kit on my car that gave me 73% better mileage than before, and now have a kit that improved by 4MPG on that. It's certainly a matter of finding a good kit (see HHO Express) and installing it correctly while managing the computer issues that arise in many fuiel-injected cars. The broadcaster didn't seem to have an EFIE or ECUC or VMU kit for his car's computer, so it's unlikely he'd see a mileage gain and might actually see a mileage loss. As the organizer of the HHO Games, I've seen many dozens of kits and can tell you that some do work very, very well, but some do not work at all. It's a matter of construction and quality and engineering, even on the small scale of the HHO hydrogen injection industry. See hhogames.com for more information and resources. An Aussie names Greg Gunning came all the way to Bradenton just to be at the HHO Games in February 2009, and he bought a Bob Boyce kits for $2,400 to sell back home. I think he'll soon be a very happy, wealthy man.

6/11/2008 7:08:08 a.m.

Jay Vreeland wrote:

many of the claims for hydrogen generation are wildly overstated, there is a way to calculate maximum H2/O2 generation based on a quantity in electrochemistry called the Faraday..96500 coulombs/per g equiv wgt. First it requires about 1.4 volts to start the reaction..more voltage is wasted in internalresistance losses. Thus an efficient unit is composed of 10 or so cells in series. At a 40 amp load through the generator, 40 (coulombs/sec) x 3600 sec/hrx 10 cells/96500=14.9 grams of H or about 7.5 moles which is about 180 liters hr of H2 at room temp. At the other elctrode about 90 l/hr of oxygen would be liberated. A 3.0 l engine at 2000 rpm has an open throttle air use of about 180/000 l/hr but is throttled back to about 20% or so of that H2 could at modest RPMs amount to about 0.5% by volume. Typical gas volume flows are of the order of 2000l/hr at highway driving..so the H2 flow represents could represent nearly 10% of the fuel total volume..and enough to effect kinetics. The energy impact of such changes seems to be of the order of 5- 10% or less on BHP efficiency(18- vs19 to 20%). and with some increase in NOx levels. The large increases in emission lowering are obtained only at much higher hydrogen levels..8000 liters/hr and in very lean burn conditions, way beyond HHO generator capacity. A 40 amp generator running at 70% efficiency from fuel = 14x40/0.7= 800w or about 1 HP.

2/08/2008 7:45:01 a.m.

Peter Macedo wrote:

Frank......well there you have it.
May God bless, protect and bring you a great future.
Peter.

1/08/2008 9:28:18 p.m.

Frank wrote:

sorry Peter I dont need you to show if my Unit Works my customers are the best judge of that if I had wanted it to be shown on Cambell Live I would have done it myself and as for putting it in your car for a free test no way If you want it you need to pay for it the same as any other customer
I dont think you are the person that I would pick to represent it anyway as you have little experience to show and would not be able deal with the finer details.
I must at this time say I wonder what happened to the first two guys that cambell live interviewed the week before your showing as they had more to offer and if my memory serves me right they successfully proved it works with their Ford Falcon
And what of the Guy with the bolts in the jar seems they chose only the one you had nothing to offer??

1/08/2008 5:41:12 p.m.

Peter Macedo wrote:

For anyone interested, the following is the site address of quite a comprehensive and informative guide that includes detailed (all free!) plans to build hydrogen units ranging from a basic "Hotsabi" unit that probably produces well less than 1 lpm of hydroxy gas to a Bob Boyce multi cell 101 plate design that can supposedly produce 100 lpm - enough to entirely power (without petrol) a 2L engine. http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt10.html

1/08/2008 10:42:24 a.m.

A wrote:

Having been skeptical to begin with, I've now seen many hydrogen generators on Youtube that produce huge volumes of hydrogen, enough to run the lawnmower etc. They aren't complicated to construct once you have seen what is required and you have a basic understanding of both the mechanics and chemistry of how they work. However the example that was shown to the viewers during the fist part of this story a month ago was very poor. The most basic hydrogen generator that anyone could construct, two bolts sitting in solution producing squat all. On the whole this seemed to be an entirely self-defeating story. Where has all the real and good journalism gone? anyone who has seen the story and doesn't have any prior knowledge would be left with the obvious - it doesn't work and is a waste of time. In my opinion the generator that the guy had been testing was too small to produce the volumes of hydrogen required to see a difference in his fuel consumption. What I think is needed is what you can see online - perhaps 4 cells of 750ml each, maybe even a litre of solution. each cell activated by a pair of tightly coiled stainless steel straps - volume tested and electrically calibrated. maybe something like this would make an interesting and INFORMATIVE story.
When will TV3 provide a FULL report into hydrogen generators?