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Waitangi pub crawl organiser: Vomiting, urination claims exaggerated

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Tue, 07 Feb 2012 6:30a.m.

A London travel agent says up to 1500 Kiwis took to the streets in a display of "disrespectful" behaviour

A London travel agent says up to 1500 Kiwis took to the streets in a display of "disrespectful" behaviour

Doubts are being cast on claims by an expatriate Kiwi about the behaviour of his fellow countrymen in an annual Waitangi Day pub crawl around London.

Former Wellingtonian Dylan Clements, now working in London as a travel agent, has filed a complaint with New Zealand High Commissioner Derek Leask, saying the drunken antics of the Kiwis who took to the city's streets on Saturday brought "great shame" on New Zealand.

Mr Clements says he saw pub crawl participants urinating and vomiting on famous landmarks, including Westminster Abbey and the Jewel Tower, and exposing themselves indecently on the street.

However, the pub crawl's organiser Clint Heine says Mr Clements' claims are exaggerated.

He told NZ Newswire the complaint was "heart breaking", because the organisers try to make the pub crawl a positive event.

"We work really hard over here in London to not be idiots," Mr Heine said.

Westminster police had told Mr Heine they were surprised by the negative attention received by the event, given they had rated the day a success and made no arrests.

"Their officers want to work that day, they want to be there because they know that we're just so much fun to be around, even after a few drinks," Mr Heine said.

A few small instances of public urination were quickly dealt with and police are already looking forward to next year's event, he said.

Mr Heine said Mr Clements' claim that New Zealanders had been throwing snowballs at Korean tourists was false, because snow did not fall until a few hours after the event.

Mr Clements' complaint has also drawn criticism on the event's Facebook page, with pub crawl participants saying they had a great day.

The pub crawl, which is now in its 13th year, follows the route of the London Underground's Circle Line, which forms a loop beneath central London. About 4000 are reported to have participated on Saturday.

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10 Feb 2012 08:00a.m.

Colin wrote:

I have to admit this pub crawl does look a bit embarrassing, the behaviour of some Kiwis abroad is quite disgusting, fortunately not all of us feel the need to intimidate and racially abuse people or vomit and urinate in public, I respect Mr Clements for speaking out about this obscene behaviour but I completely disrespect the idiots who try to pass this off as 'harmless', have some dignity. It is heartbreaking to hear of this.

08 Feb 2012 02:32a.m.

jan.. wrote:

Ex-ex-pat' and John, this is not about you guys but its about the Treaty of Waitangi celebration..
Our Kiwi's in Britain celebration of the Waitangi Day, they cause no trouble and no one was hurt or any violent or murder but happy drinkers respecting the Day of the Treaty and not many toilet in Britian Pubs so the doggy style was at hand.. Get real guys, without the Treaty' the Aotearoa New Zealand still belongs to the Tangata Whenuas, and will you return to where you come from?.. RESPECT THE TREATY and if not, get out..

07 Feb 2012 11:36p.m.

Daniel (living in London) wrote:

This is directed at John who posted i quote, "
How many kiwis do you know that worked good jobs in NZ, went to London for 2 years, drunk, didn't really pursue career etc"
Have you been here on a 2 year visa? If not i suggest (if its not to late for you) to come here and try and pursue your chosen career on that visa. It's not easy to get the job you want as the employers see this and are turned away at the fact your not planning on staying here for ever. It is not like going to Australia where some people go there to make better of there chosen fields as the money is better. We on 2 year visas come here to make the most of our very very short time, we don't come here to get stuck into a time sucking job that requires every second of those 2 years. We come here to see the other side of the world and enjoy it. I think the reason waitangi day is celebrated like it is over here in London is because we do not get that chance back home as its a very controversial day, As seen once again this year.

07 Feb 2012 05:47p.m.

Ex-ex-pat wrote:

I have to agree with Dylan Clemnts on this. When I lived in London I too loved a few drinks and mixed with expats, and am all for celebrating Waitangi day, but a lot of us boycotted the pub crawl because it gave kiwis such a bad name. I remember being on the circle line when a couple of girls doing the crawl climbed on, and proceeded to swear, shout and gyrate against the poles in the tube. There were kids and old people on the carriage - it made me embarassed to be a kiwi. Also seems so arrogant to disrupt the underground service of a major city. I think kiwis in London who do this need to wake up.

07 Feb 2012 03:26p.m.

John wrote:

I think the problem is, and nothing to do with the guys in London. I'm a kiwi, pakeha, lives in Australia.
I have to be honest, the first Australia Day I saw over here made me almost ashamed to be a kiwi.
Sure, the treaty has all the disputes from the past, but what do all us no Waitangi protesters do on Waitangi day in NZ?
Speak to most and they generally don't do much except treat it like a normal public holiday, sleep in, have a big night the night before.
The kiwis in London obviously see this and try to get together, have a big drink and party and celebrate being kiwi.
The only problem I see is, and I've known a few kiwis to go to London and know a few english expats living here.
Is that you end up being how we view Aussies, haha, loud, party hard and somewhat obnoxious when you are away from home, in the "big smoke" so to speak.
How many kiwis do you know that worked good jobs in NZ, went to London for 2 years, drunk, didn't really pursue career etc?
I see it here in Australia. There are those that settle, and those that just act like idiots.
So back to the London thing. I think it's great, but really we need to change the viewpoint of the holiday in NZ so all kiwis can celebrate the day for being New Zealanders and not feel we need to be crazy and celebrate it when we are not in the country.

07 Feb 2012 12:13p.m.

Ricardo wrote:

He's just after his 15 seconds of fame. I humbly suggest Dylan has never witnessed football fans in the UK going to or from matches. What our guys did pales by comparison. Get over yourself Dylan.

07 Feb 2012 11:57a.m.

jan.. wrote:

Waitangi Day Celebration for the kiwis in Britain was no problems compared with other countries when celebrate.. Our Kiwi's in Britain are well behave and causing no fights but leclessly drunk and not enough toilet in pubs but apply the doggy style on streets when you have no option..
HAPPY TREATY OF WAITANGI GUYS and thank you for protecting and respecting our Treaty..

07 Feb 2012 11:49a.m.

james wrote:

ruru, you can organise a cafe crawl if you like but i dont think you would attract as many people as a pup crawl and i think people would be more bored than happy. way to go ruru you gave me a good laugh today

07 Feb 2012 11:44a.m.

The Duuuude wrote:

Ruru - what are you on about haha a non-alcoholic Pub Crawl type thing. Great for the people who don't like a true celebration but for everyone else getting Merry and celebrating go hand in hand. Anyone that has lived in London knows its a 24/7 town that Parties very hard. Seeing a bunch of drunk Kiwis one day will be forgotten the next when another even bigger event happens. Its not NZ its London.

07 Feb 2012 11:23a.m.

JJ wrote:

I think Dylan was just a little upset he didn't get to finish his set in time for the pub crawl