Willie Apiata 'there to fight', says photographer

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Fri, 22 Jan 2010 7:56a.m.

A French photographer took this shot of Willie Apiata and another member of the SAS in Afghanistan

A French photographer took this shot of Willie Apiata and another member of the SAS in Afghanistan

"Tired and sweaty" Victoria Cross hero Willie Apiata was photographed in the Afghanistan capital of Kabul earlier this week, moments after he came out of a building where three bodies were found.

Photographs of Corporal Apiata, a member of New Zealand's elite Special Air Service unit, and another SAS soldier were published by several New Zealand media outlets yesterday and today after being taken by French freelance photographer Philip Poupin.

He told The Dominion Post he saw the elite Kiwi soldiers emerge from a building where the insurgents' bodies were later found, after the Taliban attack on Afghanistan's Presidential Palace on Monday.

The publication of the photographs broke what the Defence Force called a "robust gentleman's agreement" it had with the media not to reveal SAS soldiers on active deployment overseas because it could put them in danger.

Poupin said he saw a "tired and sweaty" Cpl Apiata emerge from the building where the bodies of the three insurgents were found.

"They were really close to the insurgents ... they were there to fight," Poupin told the newspaper.

He said when the battle subsided he went inside the building and saw the three bodies.

"I can't tell you if [the New Zealanders] were directly fighting with the insurgents ... but I could say they were right there," he told the newspaper.

Prime Minister John Key said earlier this week, the SAS's had a "very limited" role in the battle and and fired no shots.

Defence Minister Wayne Mapp said yesterday that the SAS members were not as close to the fighting as Poupin suggested.

Mr Key said Cpo Apiata would probably stay in Afghanistan until the end of his deployment.

Dominion Post editor Bernadette Courtney said the paper published Cpl Apiata's photograph because it was the first picture of New Zealand SAS troops in Kabul after they responded to a Taliban attack.

She said Cpl Apiata was a war hero who requested to return to Afghanistan. He was paraded in front of the public and the media here and around the world when he won his Victoria Cross.

"We don't believe media here have placed Corporal Apiata or any of the other SAS members at any greater risk than they already are," she said.
 

The New Zealand Herald said today the journalist who broke the story of the SAS joining the counterattack against a Taliban strike was surprised at the reaction in New Zealand.

Afghanistan-based New York Times reporter Dexter Filkins, in a blog posted to the newspaper's website yesterday, wrote: "New Zealand? At war? Who knew? Not a lot of New Zealanders, apparently."

"The news ... that a team of commandos from New Zealand had joined Afghan soldiers at the scene caused a sensation in the little country off the coast of Australia," he wrote.

 

Filkins said he spotted the New Zealand soldiers as they moved in to Pashtunistan Square, the site of the Taliban attack, which killed five people and wounded at least 70.

He said one told him to: "Get out of here".

"I saw the patch on his arm announcing his country. Others were more friendly. `Can't talk now, mate,' said another with a smile."

The Herald's assistant editor John Roughan said the paper stood by the decision to use the picture which, he said, had real news value.

"The soldiers were in a public street, in a major city, visible to anybody, wearing their uniforms, carrying their guns, photographed as the New Zealand SAS," he said.

Cpl Apiata won his Victoria Cross in Afghanistan for rescuing a wounded comrade in 2004.

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02 Mar 2010 04:22p.m.

Anon wrote:

The reality is that the SAS boys fight, and put their lives on the line 24/7, for the very right for NZ'ers to have, let alone argue freedom of speech. Something the press and the public always sit around luxuriously' forgetting. I would say the look on Willy's face is from the 'insult' of the cameraman.

12 Feb 2010 07:42p.m.

tha Crab wrote:

Im in the "army"(generalised)& even if I was on deployment , my only importance would be in the task at hand not for anyone beside my close family to know ! No reporter should be taking my photo , nor should any one be interested in "my" actions. John Key & "Uncle Jerry" Mataparai are the only people who should be commenting on whats happening because of thier decisions to go anywhere , Willy is a cool guy ! if you are interested , read his book ! dont listen to rumours in the press ( french press at that !) .... ..... meh , Im over it !

12 Feb 2010 07:41p.m.

tha Crab wrote:

Im in the "army"(generalised)& even if I was on deployment , my only importance would be in the task at hand not for anyone beside my close family to know ! No reporter should be taking my photo , nor should any one be interested in "my" actions. John Key & "Uncle Jerry" Mataparai are the only people who should be commenting on whats happening because of thier decisions to go anywhere , Willy is a cool guy ! if you are interested , read his book ! dont listen to rumours in the press ( french press at that !) .... ..... meh , Im over it !

24 Jan 2010 10:48a.m.

Doug wrote:

Sorry, but there are alot of people saying stuff that is just a load of crap. I get annoyed at dipsh*ts that go on as if they know how the whole operation works, just because they got through Call of Duty on the hard level or watched a couple of war movies.

I do know a little bit about how it works, and I can assure you that I know sweet f**k all. And the people that know more than that know not to talk about it.

23 Jan 2010 03:41p.m.

getgripped@hotmail.com wrote:

Doug you are correct that nobody knew Cpl Apiata was in Afghanistan, and I agreed with you the first time. I also have never claimed that he was there since his VC and prior to him being photographed now. Why are you still making the point? Being so defensive would make you a good candidate for the defence force.

23 Jan 2010 06:18a.m.

Glenn wrote:

It's really not relevant that this photo was shown and it was mentioned who the soldier is, the real problem is that it's been plastered all over the news for the last 4 days, the country and the media are obsessed with this story and that is what is making the situation worse. If there wasn't a big fuss kicked up, there most likely wouldn't have been a big issue and everyone would have forgotten about it. NZ has not helped Willie.

23 Jan 2010 01:10a.m.

Doug wrote:

Anrath, Like I said before, you watch too much Rambo (or maybe smoke too much pot).
Mike, nobody had the faintest clue that Cpl Apiata was even in Afhanastan let alone out of NZ.

22 Jan 2010 03:54p.m.

Mike wrote:

No Doug I did not know Cpl Apiata was in Kabul prior to the photo (although it was a safe bet he was somewhere nearby). However I did know he has been to Afghanistan, and due to some less that diligent people in the army and government who wished to bask in some reflected glory from him, he is now known to the whole world and subsequently his family is now a legitimate target for terrorist retaliation. Arguably he is the least likely to be affected by his exposure - he can melt away but his family and friends cannot. So your point is what? My point is that he should never have been exposed as a SAS member. His VC should have been awarded under the same clandestine manner in which he earned it. SAS should never be paraded publicly to avoid a host of issues, one being retaliation to family members. So don't blame the press when he has already been exposed by those who really should know better.

22 Jan 2010 03:51p.m.

Anrath wrote:

Ok Doug, perhaps New Zealanders didnt know but the U.S Military and the Afghan government did and so therefore did the terrorists / Taliban.

We are complaining because we now know, but the reality is the good guys and the bad guys knew long before we did.

Standard reconnesance by the enemy would have noted apiata's presence because he is well known to the taliban and many other military organisations.

If the government didnt want the identities of the NZ SAS troops known, they wouldnt have allowed Apiata to be sent.

And yes the government does get informed of all military operations including personnel via the Minister of defence, as he and the Prime Minister are responsible for approving missions, budgets etc.

My Father and uncles were military men as was my brother.
The chain of command ends with the Prime Minister. however it is not certain he would have known Apiata was there, but the Minister of defence certainly would have.

The SAS are a reclusive bunch, if they were in full dress uniform on the streets of afghanistan without disguise the enemy would have had pictures of them first and would have easily identified Apiata.

This would be an interesting question for the opposition parties to pose to the Minister of defence during parliamentary question time, did the minister know that apiata had been sent, and if so... why on a covert mission would we send our most well known SAS trooper?.

If the identity of our SAS teams is secret then why were they in NZ uniforms interacting with the Afghan public some of whom would have been working for the Taliban.

This is a National party cockup not a media one.

Alien will go nuts at that.. he's such a rightie... but yes alien I very much do know how the military works.

22 Jan 2010 03:02p.m.

Alex wrote:

You can find the photos on the internet on overseas websites anyway. It's just that New Zealand has a ridiculous attitude (and laws) regarding the identification of special forces.