Solid Energy's Bill Luff comes forward
Solid Energy's Don Elder would not come on the show, but a man called Bill Luff spoke to Campbell Live instead.
He hasn't been at Solid Energy long - less than two years.
He wasn't there when the decisions were made that we believe got Solid Energy into so much trouble.
But he did front, because he thinks Solid Energy must address its recent history, and New Zealand taxpayers are owed an explanation of what went on.
I asked him if Solid Energy is nearly $400 million in debt because it got carried away with its assumptions about coal prices, with its diversification, and with its investments.
Watch the video for the full interview.